Ryan Kidd

Like, it doesn't seem like it would have lasted much longer if Paul Cristiano and Dario Amadei and all hadn't done that.

I think someone else would have done it.

That's not to say that you should necessarily try and accelerate the frontier of capabilities.

It seems...

bad on then, but certainly ROHF opened up the door to a lot of very promising ways to build alignment MVPs, which kind of is the Cristiano meta strategy too.

I don't know, it's hard to say.

I'd like to run the counterfactual simulation and see where the world would be without ROHF one year sooner or two years sooner.

That would be interesting to see.

It definitely did kickstart, I think, the chat GPT revolution and productizing AI systems.

But it's hard to see, like,

Given how small the AI safety field was at the time, the AI safety field, I think, has grown from the increase of AI exposure, right?

So you would have had some amount of additional AI safety research that happened had chat GPT moment not happened then.

It happened like one or two years later.

But I think it would have been kind of insignificant

if I'm honest, I don't think that the field was big enough.

Now you can say like, okay, what if you also tried to pour resources into like secret AI safety projects at the same time?

Delay ROHF, delay ChatGPT, build up the AI safety field via networks.

The mirroring summer schools weren't doing a lot.

And that's came along just before the ChatGPT moment, December of 2021.

And