Ryan Kidd

And, you know, that that's there's some technical skills element to that.

Right.

There's also some, you know, just just like actual research experience.

So people who come into math with prior research experience do so much better on average than people who have less research experience.

Right.

So I think a strong option for many people should just be stay in academia, get your bachelor's, get your Ph.D.,

For other people, maybe they should go off and found a company.

There's tons of money and directions for AI safety companies.

I think founders are strongly

needed in this ecosystem, and then you can create opportunities for more people to get hired.

But I'll say as well, another thing Nats is trying to provide is credibility.

I wouldn't say like, not formal accreditation, but some sense, like they have the reference from their mentor, who's a senior researcher in the field.

You have the exhaustive Nats selection process, which is trying very hard to find people who are good.

And then you have like your proof of actual research impact.

You produce a paper, right?

That's your name.

Perhaps you get to publish in a conference or it's an archive and people are talking about it.

So that's what people need to get employed these days, right?

You need to have an actual like great output, some sort of deliverable that you can put, shows your name, maybe several, right?

You have to be like technically good enough at coding or using AI systems, whatever's required.