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Ryan Knudson

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The Journal.
The Battle Over a Church Worth Millions

When Sean Mathis showed up in 2017, all of those assets, the building, the parking lots, and the savings, were being managed by a very small group of aging congregants.

The Journal.
The Battle Over a Church Worth Millions

After he took control, the church was renamed the Nashville Church of Christ.

The Journal.
The Battle Over a Church Worth Millions

And according to court filings, it started paying both Mathis and his father six-figure salaries and gave them housing stipends.

The Journal.
The Battle Over a Church Worth Millions

And under his leadership, the church stopped its weekly services.

The Journal.
The Battle Over a Church Worth Millions

In a statement provided by its lawyer, the National Church of Christ disputed that the church had been shut down.

The Journal.
The Battle Over a Church Worth Millions

The letter also said, "...changes to the church's leadership happened according to the same regular processes that had always occurred at the church."

The Journal.
The Battle Over a Church Worth Millions

Some of the church's longtime members told CAM that when they started to question Mathis' leadership, they began to feel unwelcome.

The Journal.
The Battle Over a Church Worth Millions

In the letter, the church's attorney said, "...the members who were replaced as church leaders weren't pushed out.

The Journal.
The Battle Over a Church Worth Millions

They were simply replaced by the next generation, just as has happened in church bodies for thousands of years."

The Journal.
The Battle Over a Church Worth Millions

All of these changes started to come to the attention of the great-grandchildren of the church's original co-founder, A.M.

The Journal.
The Battle Over a Church Worth Millions

Burton.

The Journal.
The Battle Over a Church Worth Millions

One of those great-grandchildren is Amy Grant, as in six-time Grammy winner Amy Grant.

The Journal.
The Battle Over a Church Worth Millions

Around Nashville, Amy Grant is considered music royalty.

The Journal.
The Battle Over a Church Worth Millions

She's been called the queen of Christian pop, with a string of hits like her 90s single, Baby Baby, which my sister and I used to dance to when we were kids.

The Journal.
The Battle Over a Church Worth Millions

There's kind of a bit of a running joke on our podcast about how like when I have people on, I sometimes make a joke about trying to get them to sing.

The Journal.
The Battle Over a Church Worth Millions

But I think you might be the first person with the actual chops to sing.

The Journal.
The Battle Over a Church Worth Millions

Sadly, no, we are not singing today.

The Journal.
The Battle Over a Church Worth Millions

Amy politely declined.

The Journal.
The Battle Over a Church Worth Millions

Okay, back to the story.

The Journal.
The Battle Over a Church Worth Millions

Amy heard from her cousin Andy Burton, a local dentist, who had caught wind of what Mathis was doing at their great-grandfather's old church.