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Ryan Knudson

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The Journal.
How Do You Refund $166 Billion?

Cry me a river, basically.

The Journal.
How Do You Refund $166 Billion?

I'm going to issue an order.

The Journal.
How Do You Refund $166 Billion?

Judge Eaton was so unpersuaded by the government's arguments that he did something pretty bold.

The Journal.
How Do You Refund $166 Billion?

He issued a ruling straight from the bench.

The Journal.
How Do You Refund $166 Billion?

When Judge Eaton made that order from the bench, which was basically, okay, just go do it, was that a surprise?

The Journal.
How Do You Refund $166 Billion?

But despite Judge Eaton's speedy ruling, it still might take a long time for companies to get their money back.

The Journal.
How Do You Refund $166 Billion?

That's next.

The Journal.
How Do You Refund $166 Billion?

The government actually has a system for issuing tariff refunds.

The Journal.
How Do You Refund $166 Billion?

But after Judge Eaton's ruling, the government said it's not quite set up for a refund as massive as the $166 billion collected in Trump's tariffs.

The Journal.
How Do You Refund $166 Billion?

So is there a picture now emerging for how this refund process might actually play out?

The Journal.
How Do You Refund $166 Billion?

What do companies think about that?

The Journal.
How Do You Refund $166 Billion?

I mean, right, because shouldn't the government have a record of how much money it's collected and who has paid them that money?

The Journal.
How Do You Refund $166 Billion?

Making things even gnarlier for companies is that now some of their customers are suing them and saying that if you're going to get a refund, you'd better give some of that money to us.

The Journal.
How Do You Refund $166 Billion?

And there's even more litigation on the way.

The Journal.
How Do You Refund $166 Billion?

First, the Trump administration might appeal Judge Eaton's order on refunds.

The Journal.
How Do You Refund $166 Billion?

What an absolute mess.

The Journal.
How Do You Refund $166 Billion?

Is there a risk that the process is so onerous that businesses just don't do it?

The Journal.
How Do You Refund $166 Billion?

Yeah, for these companies, they might be happy that there's a ruling saying that the tariffs are illegal and that they are supposed to get their money back.

The Journal.
How Do You Refund $166 Billion?

But

The Journal.
How Do You Refund $166 Billion?

It doesn't really wipe away the pain that the businesses went through over the past year.