Ryan Knutson

Musk did say on X that this is basically all part of his chess game, saying, quote, I expected to lose, but there is value to losing a piece for a positional gain. All right, we are going to take a short break, and when we come back, we'll talk about immigration, deportations, and the border. Okay, so let's turn our focus to immigration.

This is something Trump made a really big deal about on the campaign trail. And sure enough, the Trump administration has made a big push on deportations during the first two months of his presidency, but not necessarily in the way people expected. In the last week or so, we've had tourists detained at the border, foreign students with green cards or visas detained.

This is something Trump made a really big deal about on the campaign trail. And sure enough, the Trump administration has made a big push on deportations during the first two months of his presidency, but not necessarily in the way people expected. In the last week or so, we've had tourists detained at the border, foreign students with green cards or visas detained.

This is something Trump made a really big deal about on the campaign trail. And sure enough, the Trump administration has made a big push on deportations during the first two months of his presidency, but not necessarily in the way people expected. In the last week or so, we've had tourists detained at the border, foreign students with green cards or visas detained.

basically snatched off the street, and even a Venezuelan immigrant with protected status that the administration admitted it sent to a prison in El Salvador by mistake. To help break down where things stand on immigration, we brought in our colleague, immigration expert Michelle Hackman. Hi, Michelle.

basically snatched off the street, and even a Venezuelan immigrant with protected status that the administration admitted it sent to a prison in El Salvador by mistake. To help break down where things stand on immigration, we brought in our colleague, immigration expert Michelle Hackman. Hi, Michelle.

basically snatched off the street, and even a Venezuelan immigrant with protected status that the administration admitted it sent to a prison in El Salvador by mistake. To help break down where things stand on immigration, we brought in our colleague, immigration expert Michelle Hackman. Hi, Michelle.

So Trump made a lot of big promises about mass deportations and all the things that he was going to do to change immigration once he became president. How would you say that that's all going now that we're a couple months in?

So Trump made a lot of big promises about mass deportations and all the things that he was going to do to change immigration once he became president. How would you say that that's all going now that we're a couple months in?

So Trump made a lot of big promises about mass deportations and all the things that he was going to do to change immigration once he became president. How would you say that that's all going now that we're a couple months in?

I want to ask about the border, Michelle. Crossings at the border are down under Trump. Is there anything specific that the Trump administration is doing to prevent people from trying to cross the border illegally, other than just to sort of send a signal that this is not a friendly place for immigrants to come anymore?

I want to ask about the border, Michelle. Crossings at the border are down under Trump. Is there anything specific that the Trump administration is doing to prevent people from trying to cross the border illegally, other than just to sort of send a signal that this is not a friendly place for immigrants to come anymore?

I want to ask about the border, Michelle. Crossings at the border are down under Trump. Is there anything specific that the Trump administration is doing to prevent people from trying to cross the border illegally, other than just to sort of send a signal that this is not a friendly place for immigrants to come anymore?

Getting back to deportations, they seem to be happening at a smaller scale, but it seems like it's happening at a more high-profile scale because we're seeing these students right now, specifically on college campuses, people who have visas or in some cases green cards, who are being picked up and deported. So can you explain the strategy here and sort of what the legal basis is for that? Sure.

Getting back to deportations, they seem to be happening at a smaller scale, but it seems like it's happening at a more high-profile scale because we're seeing these students right now, specifically on college campuses, people who have visas or in some cases green cards, who are being picked up and deported. So can you explain the strategy here and sort of what the legal basis is for that? Sure.

Getting back to deportations, they seem to be happening at a smaller scale, but it seems like it's happening at a more high-profile scale because we're seeing these students right now, specifically on college campuses, people who have visas or in some cases green cards, who are being picked up and deported. So can you explain the strategy here and sort of what the legal basis is for that? Sure.

And that's something that Tom Homan, the head of ICE, has talked about, right? He has said that Congress needs to give him more money so that he can accomplish more of this agenda.

And that's something that Tom Homan, the head of ICE, has talked about, right? He has said that Congress needs to give him more money so that he can accomplish more of this agenda.

And that's something that Tom Homan, the head of ICE, has talked about, right? He has said that Congress needs to give him more money so that he can accomplish more of this agenda.

Politically, Molly, how do you think that this is playing for the Trump administration? Because on the one hand, a lot of Americans really want the government and Trump to be tough, tough, tough.