Ryan Knutson

So at this point, most of the remaining employees at USAID are being put on administrative leave as of the end of today. The headquarters has been shuttered. Its website is down. Its ex-account no longer exists. I mean, is this agency effectively toast?

So at this point, most of the remaining employees at USAID are being put on administrative leave as of the end of today. The headquarters has been shuttered. Its website is down. Its ex-account no longer exists. I mean, is this agency effectively toast?

Yeah, I was going to ask you about this, Malik, because, like, can the Trump administration just do this? I mean, given that this is an agency that was created by Congress, doesn't Congress need to be the one that authorizes its demise?

Yeah, I was going to ask you about this, Malik, because, like, can the Trump administration just do this? I mean, given that this is an agency that was created by Congress, doesn't Congress need to be the one that authorizes its demise?

Yeah, I was going to ask you about this, Malik, because, like, can the Trump administration just do this? I mean, given that this is an agency that was created by Congress, doesn't Congress need to be the one that authorizes its demise?

So do you think it's possible that this could be what we've seen with USAID, like a blueprint for how the Trump administration wants to approach the dismantling of other agencies that we know that they have set their sights on?

So do you think it's possible that this could be what we've seen with USAID, like a blueprint for how the Trump administration wants to approach the dismantling of other agencies that we know that they have set their sights on?

So do you think it's possible that this could be what we've seen with USAID, like a blueprint for how the Trump administration wants to approach the dismantling of other agencies that we know that they have set their sights on?

Specifically, I'm thinking of the Department of Education, which the Wall Street Journal has reported the Trump administration is already discussing how to effectively dismantle if not entirely get rid of, but severely shrink.

Specifically, I'm thinking of the Department of Education, which the Wall Street Journal has reported the Trump administration is already discussing how to effectively dismantle if not entirely get rid of, but severely shrink.

Specifically, I'm thinking of the Department of Education, which the Wall Street Journal has reported the Trump administration is already discussing how to effectively dismantle if not entirely get rid of, but severely shrink.

So it sounds like this might not necessarily be the end of USAID and that there is a chance it could come back to life at some point. But in the meantime, this agency has effectively been eliminated. So I'm curious, what do you think is going to happen to the agency's workers and the people who are receiving aid from USAID?

So it sounds like this might not necessarily be the end of USAID and that there is a chance it could come back to life at some point. But in the meantime, this agency has effectively been eliminated. So I'm curious, what do you think is going to happen to the agency's workers and the people who are receiving aid from USAID?

So it sounds like this might not necessarily be the end of USAID and that there is a chance it could come back to life at some point. But in the meantime, this agency has effectively been eliminated. So I'm curious, what do you think is going to happen to the agency's workers and the people who are receiving aid from USAID?

While you're here, Joel, I wanted to talk with you about the CIA, which is an agency you've covered closely over the years. There's a new Trump-appointed director running the agency, and this week an email went out to employees they're offering buyouts. Tell us about what the Trump administration is trying to do to the CIA right now.

While you're here, Joel, I wanted to talk with you about the CIA, which is an agency you've covered closely over the years. There's a new Trump-appointed director running the agency, and this week an email went out to employees they're offering buyouts. Tell us about what the Trump administration is trying to do to the CIA right now.

While you're here, Joel, I wanted to talk with you about the CIA, which is an agency you've covered closely over the years. There's a new Trump-appointed director running the agency, and this week an email went out to employees they're offering buyouts. Tell us about what the Trump administration is trying to do to the CIA right now.

All right, well, thanks, Joel, so much for your time and helping us understand all this stuff. Yeah, great to be on the show. Thanks a lot.

All right, well, thanks, Joel, so much for your time and helping us understand all this stuff. Yeah, great to be on the show. Thanks a lot.

All right, well, thanks, Joel, so much for your time and helping us understand all this stuff. Yeah, great to be on the show. Thanks a lot.