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Ryan Lucas

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NPR News: 03-26-2025 4PM EDT

Crowe, who is a former U.S. Army Ranger, said the refusal to accept responsibility is outrageous and a leadership failure, and he called on Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth to resign. Ryan Lucas, NPR News, Washington.

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Intel Hearing On Group Chat, Return To Office Mandate, Black Sea Deal

Good morning.

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Intel Hearing On Group Chat, Return To Office Mandate, Black Sea Deal

Good morning.

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Intel Hearing On Group Chat, Return To Office Mandate, Black Sea Deal

Good morning.

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Intel Hearing On Group Chat, Return To Office Mandate, Black Sea Deal

Well, there are a couple of issues here. First off, this group chat reportedly involved sensitive strategy discussions among top US officials, including the vice president. And it also reportedly involved discussions about targeting, about weapons and attack sequencing of US military strikes in Yemen before those airstrikes happened.

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Intel Hearing On Group Chat, Return To Office Mandate, Black Sea Deal

Well, there are a couple of issues here. First off, this group chat reportedly involved sensitive strategy discussions among top US officials, including the vice president. And it also reportedly involved discussions about targeting, about weapons and attack sequencing of US military strikes in Yemen before those airstrikes happened.

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Intel Hearing On Group Chat, Return To Office Mandate, Black Sea Deal

Well, there are a couple of issues here. First off, this group chat reportedly involved sensitive strategy discussions among top US officials, including the vice president. And it also reportedly involved discussions about targeting, about weapons and attack sequencing of US military strikes in Yemen before those airstrikes happened.

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Intel Hearing On Group Chat, Return To Office Mandate, Black Sea Deal

These discussions weren't on a secure US government communication system. They Instead, we're in a group chat set up by National Security Advisor Mike Waltz on the Signal messaging app, which is commercially available, widely used by all sorts of folks. Our colleague Tom Bowman is reporting that the Pentagon warned actually just last week against using Signal even for unclassified information.

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Intel Hearing On Group Chat, Return To Office Mandate, Black Sea Deal

These discussions weren't on a secure US government communication system. They Instead, we're in a group chat set up by National Security Advisor Mike Waltz on the Signal messaging app, which is commercially available, widely used by all sorts of folks. Our colleague Tom Bowman is reporting that the Pentagon warned actually just last week against using Signal even for unclassified information.

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Intel Hearing On Group Chat, Return To Office Mandate, Black Sea Deal

These discussions weren't on a secure US government communication system. They Instead, we're in a group chat set up by National Security Advisor Mike Waltz on the Signal messaging app, which is commercially available, widely used by all sorts of folks. Our colleague Tom Bowman is reporting that the Pentagon warned actually just last week against using Signal even for unclassified information.

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Intel Hearing On Group Chat, Return To Office Mandate, Black Sea Deal

The Pentagon said Russian hackers are targeting the app to spy on people of interest. So that's issue number one. Issue number two here is that a journalist, the editor of The Atlantic, Jeffrey Goldberg, was included in this group chat. And that, of course, is a serious security breach.

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Intel Hearing On Group Chat, Return To Office Mandate, Black Sea Deal

The Pentagon said Russian hackers are targeting the app to spy on people of interest. So that's issue number one. Issue number two here is that a journalist, the editor of The Atlantic, Jeffrey Goldberg, was included in this group chat. And that, of course, is a serious security breach.

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Intel Hearing On Group Chat, Return To Office Mandate, Black Sea Deal

The Pentagon said Russian hackers are targeting the app to spy on people of interest. So that's issue number one. Issue number two here is that a journalist, the editor of The Atlantic, Jeffrey Goldberg, was included in this group chat. And that, of course, is a serious security breach.

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Intel Hearing On Group Chat, Return To Office Mandate, Black Sea Deal

Well, initially, Tulsi Gabbard wouldn't even acknowledge that she was in the chat. For his part, though, CIA Director John Ratcliffe didn't try to play that game. He said straight out he was part of this chat. But he did say U.S. officials are permitted to use Signal to communicate and coordinate for government work purposes.

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Intel Hearing On Group Chat, Return To Office Mandate, Black Sea Deal

Well, initially, Tulsi Gabbard wouldn't even acknowledge that she was in the chat. For his part, though, CIA Director John Ratcliffe didn't try to play that game. He said straight out he was part of this chat. But he did say U.S. officials are permitted to use Signal to communicate and coordinate for government work purposes.

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Intel Hearing On Group Chat, Return To Office Mandate, Black Sea Deal

Well, initially, Tulsi Gabbard wouldn't even acknowledge that she was in the chat. For his part, though, CIA Director John Ratcliffe didn't try to play that game. He said straight out he was part of this chat. But he did say U.S. officials are permitted to use Signal to communicate and coordinate for government work purposes.

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Intel Hearing On Group Chat, Return To Office Mandate, Black Sea Deal

He and Gabbard said there was no classified information shared in this chat. The White House has said the same thing. But that line received a lot of skepticism from lawmakers on the panel. And that includes Maine Independent Angus King.

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Intel Hearing On Group Chat, Return To Office Mandate, Black Sea Deal

He and Gabbard said there was no classified information shared in this chat. The White House has said the same thing. But that line received a lot of skepticism from lawmakers on the panel. And that includes Maine Independent Angus King.

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Intel Hearing On Group Chat, Return To Office Mandate, Black Sea Deal

He and Gabbard said there was no classified information shared in this chat. The White House has said the same thing. But that line received a lot of skepticism from lawmakers on the panel. And that includes Maine Independent Angus King.

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Intel Hearing On Group Chat, Return To Office Mandate, Black Sea Deal

Now, Ratcliffe and Gabbard both said at one point that the information from an intelligence perspective wasn't classified. But then when it comes to specific military information about the airstrikes, they said the Secretary of Defense has the authority to determine what's classified and what's not on that. So pointing to Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth for answers on those questions.