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Ryan Malone

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41 total appearances

Appearances Over Time

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The 'toothless' law keeping us in the dark

You see it on X all the time or whatever social platform where journalists or sector groups or whatever feel incredibly frustrated

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The 'toothless' law keeping us in the dark

But, you know, we've got to be clear here.

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The 'toothless' law keeping us in the dark

The OIA is never some kind of carte blanche.

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The 'toothless' law keeping us in the dark

You get the information you've asked for.

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The 'toothless' law keeping us in the dark

There is a presumption that you will be given it, but it's always subject to the official going, look, you know, I'm looking through this document.

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The 'toothless' law keeping us in the dark

I'm looking through this email.

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The 'toothless' law keeping us in the dark

If I release the document or part of the email, then some harm is going to happen.

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The 'toothless' law keeping us in the dark

For example, you know, it might harm New Zealand's national security.

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The 'toothless' law keeping us in the dark

Five Eyes partners might get grumpy with us and not share information if we start releasing it, you know.

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The 'toothless' law keeping us in the dark

Or government has a lot of personal information on people.

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The 'toothless' law keeping us in the dark

So the officials are always having to do a balancing act.

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The 'toothless' law keeping us in the dark

My sense...

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The 'toothless' law keeping us in the dark

Sharon, is that sometimes the requesters don't always appreciate the two sides of the equation.

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The 'toothless' law keeping us in the dark

Understandably, they want the information, but sometimes there are bigger things that officials need to think about.

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The 'toothless' law keeping us in the dark

You know, if you are government and you say, our plan is to roll this out in the OIA space, maybe there's something of a canary down the mine for further AI work, let's test it.

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The 'toothless' law keeping us in the dark

And so that could be done relatively easily.

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The 'toothless' law keeping us in the dark

Say, take 10 agencies, say to them, what were your last 100 requests that you completed, made decisions on?

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The 'toothless' law keeping us in the dark

Give those same hundred requests to the AI model, see what decisions it produces, and let's see what differences there are.

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The 'toothless' law keeping us in the dark

There might not be many, and those results should be shared with us.

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The 'toothless' law keeping us in the dark

Again, do we have confidence in the use of AI in what is frankly a very important democratic sort of pillar of our system in New Zealand?