Ryan Peterman

You mentioned joinery.

I wonder if down the road we will see apps on the app store that people pay extra for because it's marketed as this was written by a human or it was written by hand.

It's a bespoke custom app.

Crazy how the world is going to change.

So it sounds like change is obviously the common case.

It's the one that we should be thinking about.

Maybe we can break up the conversation into two parts.

One is

For junior engineers, what is important given that code is kind of flowing like water now?

If I was to look at a career ladder's expectations, some of what you described of maybe engaging with the customers and understanding the business context,

uniquely in software engineering it feels like the earliest levels are insulated from all of that you have your your tech lead tech leads handing out tasks and then the early level engineers just given tasks just converted into code and it sounds like you know that part's relatively solved and if not now maybe i'd be surprised if a year or two from now wasn't like completely solved

And I think that could scare a lot of junior engineers because they would think, you're going to expect me to graduate from college or start working as a software engineer, and then I would have the senior engineer expectations.

What would you say to the scared software engineer that's just entering the industry with all this change?

Sounds like your advice for senior engineers is different from that of junior engineers.

What is your thinking there?

I feel like there's a common sentiment among software engineers when they work with someone who is a quote-unquote tech lead, but they're not really hands-on.

So they've kind of been in the docks for the last...

five years or so.

And there's these minor things they can tell that this person doesn't actually understand the underlying thing.

And sounds like that gap will widen with these new tools, which is if you're looking at things from a thousand feet up and you're not actually using the tools, that's just another thing that separates you from the people who are actually building where you'll be very out of touch.