Ryan Peterman

And I feel like it frames exactly what you just described really cleanly.

OpenAI, Anthropic, Cursor, and Vercel all use this product to make their lives better.

And the problem it solves is when you're building SaaS or an AI product and you want to sell to other companies, there's all these requirements you need to meet.

There's SSO, there's SCIM, there's RBAC, there's audit logs.

These are all things that take time to integrate but aren't the main focus of your app.

WorkOS is an API layer that lets you meet all of these requirements in just a few lines of code.

So let's say you have a new SaaS product and you want to sell to other companies.

WorkOS will solve all of these critical feature gaps for you.

You can check them out at workos.com to learn more and get started.

And I appreciate them for supporting my work and sponsoring this podcast.

you mentioned this idea of do the right thing and then you know the byproduct you also get promoted and i think that's that's the dream you know do the right thing get promoted but in reality oftentimes people would have to make the trade-off imagine a two by two matrix of doing the right thing doing the wrong thing getting promoted not getting promoted obviously that you know do the right thing get promoted great do the wrong thing don't get promoted obviously bad

but I'm curious about the other two quadrants.

Which one would you have picked when you were earlier in your career?

Let's say I came to you.

I said, Hey, you can do the wrong thing, but you're going to get promoted or you can do the right thing.

And I guarantee you, you're not going to get promoted.

the privilege that the real privilege that we get is to work on something cool and uh that's what i advocate for i love the idea you mentioned earlier that's kind of counter to the common opinion i i often hear like the common opinion i hear they someone working at a big company they're in this machine it's kind of defeatist they're going i ship this thing but i hate this or

I don't believe in this.

And I really liked your perspective on doing the right thing and basically giving a damn that someone outside of you is doing the right thing too and expanding your sense of ownership.

And I want to know, what is your motivation for that?