Ryan Sean Adams

That's kind of take that as another entire podcast that we could talk about.

I do know that there are some protocols where you absolutely do not have that ability.

You know, one of which is Tornado Cash, for instance, which is a privacy protocol on Ethereum.

Right now, we have a developer who's in a criminal case in the US about this, Roman Storm.

We've talked about that often.

Then you also have entire networks, like, say, the Zcash network, which they sort of exist to be an encrypted version of Bitcoin.

And there is this move that, like,

If you are a crypto user, don't you deserve, don't you want some level of privacy on top of your transactions?

And by the way, this is a safety mechanism for legitimate use cases too.

It keeps out the corporate surveillers.

It keeps out the possibility of people hacking you or even wrench attacks in real life.

I mean, there's some real civil liberties at stake here when it comes to, you know,

moving all of your funds being transparent and available for the whole world to see.

That's not a good steady state either.

And so I'm wondering how you feel about some of these, we'll leave ThorChain aside, but some of these much more decentralized solutions to just encrypting all of the stuff that is on chain in a way that you can't see it, you can't track.

I mean, is this just, in your mind, giving a gift to the bad guys?

Do you see some upside here?

Like what would be your take specifically on something like Tornado Cash or Zcash?

I do think there are a lot of technical solutions that can get a lot of people what they want, right?

Zero knowledge proofs.