Róisín Ingle

I hope your dad, you know, gets a bit better and I hope that challenge isn't too hard.

Yeah, thanks.

But it's just something that's in your life now.

And also we can frame it that way.

There's a decision.

I think that poem is really you taking something beautiful from this experience you're having with your dad, actually, and remembering all the amazing times you had with him and how he can still be that figure for you.

And you're deciding to do that because we can frame things how we want.

To make them better.

That's the thing I take from, as well, Edith Eager, who I mentioned on the podcast last week, who died.

She also, Viktor Frankl would have been her mentor, you know.

Yeah.

And she was a psychologist who was in Auschwitz and everything.

And she just says that no one can, you know, no one can take away what's in your mind.

You know, nobody can.

Yeah, and we all have a choice in every time.

And so I think that's the way forward in these difficult times that we all experience in our lives.

And write poetry about it as well.

OK, thank you so much, Jan Bruton.

Poet Laureate of the Irish Times Women's Podcast.

You're welcome.