Saikat Chakrabarti

The right actually has that conversation.

They have their view of what direction to take this country.

And I think on the democratic side, we don't grapple with those larger philosophical questions, but we have to present big ideas, bold ideas.

And that's something that the party sometimes just seems too scared to do.

Yeah, and I think it was showing very clearly from the Epstein files is there is there is an Epstein class, you know, and they are the ones that are the problem.

It's really not progressives versus moderates or even left versus right at the people level.

It is the bigger problem is this class of people who are trying to run everything, trying to

take control, consolidate power, allying with the oligarchs in our country.

And then there's the rest of us who are trying to fight back against that.

And the rest of it, people hate this.

I mean, this is why the Trump administration is trying to avoid everything about the Epstein files right now.

um but frankly you know other than a few democrats and people like ro khanna and you know tom massey on the republican side a lot of democrats are kind of avoiding it as well because they're worried about some of their own who might be in those files i think we have to have accountability across the board there's going to be a big reset i think this is going to be the question of our time of do we hold rich and powerful people accountable when they do heinous heinous crimes

or do we not?

And if the answer to that is no, I do think that's an existential threat to our democracy and our way of being our entire system.

We have to have the rule of law for everybody.

And this is gonna be one of the deciding cases for it.

Yeah, I mean, we basically have created a federal jobs program to terrorize people through ICE, right?

But what if we use that instead to actually develop things, build things people want?

I mean, this is the same thing when it comes to our foreign policy, right?

Where we are spending, you know, we had a $900 billion defense budget that just passed a few months ago, and about 115 Democrats voted for that, by the way.