Salima Adelstein

And as I said, we have this living and dying and dignity program, as well as just programs that really teach people how to be good human beings.

Yes, it is.

And some of our students have gone from our master's program into a Ph.D.

program, not in our program, but they've taken the transcript and then applied to a Ph.D.

program to get their Ph.D.

And our master's degree is recognized and they haven't had a problem transferring those credits.

So my day to day mostly consists now of teaching.

So I'm teaching a lot of those classes, preparing the curriculum, redesigning the curriculum.

curriculum, adding new programs, as well as reaching out and letting the public know about the work that we do.

So much of our school, as we call it, it was a hidden secret.

A lot of people didn't know about it.

So part of doing podcasts like this and going to different conferences and speaking engagements gives people an opportunity to learn about who we are and what we do and who we serve.

What I found is what works best is when people have the opportunity to experience what we do.

So we offer very short programs that will give people just an opportunity to see, oh, what is Sufism really all about?

What is the spiritual healing really all about?

We have what we call a Sufi Circle, which is just an evening program once a week that gives people an opportunity to have

experience of the spiritual healing, to have a lecture, to have their questions answered.

And those are the ways that we try to be accessible for people to experience what we have.

We find that once people experience it, once people feel the peace that comes, once people feel that universal divine love, that they want more.

I think two things happened.