Sally Hepworth

And he's so good about, like, what I love, I think the most masculine trait that exists is for you to give them feedback and for them to say...

oh, okay, oh, thank you for telling me that, you know, and not being threatened at all or defensive or, you know, I just think that's so... You're so sure of yourself and secure to be able to take that on board and not feel emasculated or... No, just to actually have a curiosity.

Yes, and I realised that's all I need.

I don't even need them to immediately change.

It's not that they won't do it again.

It's that they've said...

You're giving, you know, you're telling me what you want and I want to know that.

You know, I'm not, I want to know what makes you happy.

I want to, I hear you.

I see you.

Yes.

All you need, I think, is to know that someone wants you

that they're in it for you as well.

And it's not just, that's been really healing for me.

Because I am like that.

Like I will, I have a lot of faults, but I really, if someone says something or if I do the wrong thing, I will say, I'm so sorry, you know, mea culpa.

And I don't feel threatened by that.

And so when people do get defensive, and that was one of the problems in my marriage, is that you don't get anywhere, you know, you...

you know, I'm trying to tell you that I feel this way.

Well, I don't do that.