Sally Wainwright

That's the best part to me.

Yeah, it is.

It's wonderful where you stop worrying about all the silly little things that people might think about.

And you just think, or if you've said something a bit silly and you used to agonize about it, you get to 40 and you think, oh, they know what I meant.

They won't misinterpret it.

You get so confident about all the silly little things that used to worry you.

And then I got to, as I say, 50 and all those little doubts seem to creep back in again.

And snatch away this thing that you'd achieved where you felt, I'm okay now, I've arrived, I am who I want to be, kind of thing.

So that's what I meant by that, that it did, it's not just the sort of joylessness that seems to take over and the brain fog.

It was like you do become, you feel like you're not the person you thought you were.

Definitely I would, because if you can give something a name, it means it exists and it's not just you.

I was at a conference in Oxford on Saturday

A menopause thing.

I think I'd been asked along as the light relief.

There were some professors who, three women who specialise in studying the menopause.

And one of them does work with, well, all different kind of communities all over the world.

And she was saying in some cultures, there is no word for menopause.

So how do you go and talk to the doctor about it if there's no word for it?

You just describe a collection of symptoms and you don't necessarily know it's this one thing.

So, of course.