Sam Altman

We also have funded a, like a large, I think maybe the largest and most comprehensive universal basic income study as part of, sponsored by OpenAI.

And I think it's like an area we should just be looking into.

What are some insights from that study that you gained?

We're going to finish up at the end of this year, and we'll be able to talk about it hopefully very early next.

I love that you asked them together because I think they're super related.

I think the economic transformation will drive much of the political transformation here, not the other way around.

My working model for the last...

five years has been that the two dominant changes will be that the cost of intelligence and the cost of energy are going over the next couple of decades to dramatically, dramatically fall from where they are today.

And the impact of that, and you're already seeing it with the way you now have programming ability beyond what you had as an individual before.

is society gets much, much richer, much wealthier in ways that are probably hard to imagine.

I think every time that's happened before, it has been that economic impact has had positive political impact as well.

And I think it does go the other way too, like the sociopolitical values of the Enlightenment enabled the

long-running technological revolution and scientific discovery process we've had for the past centuries.

But I think we're just going to see more.

I'm sure the shape will change, but I think it's this long and beautiful exponential curve.

Instinct, yes.

I hope so.

I am a big believer in lift up the floor and don't worry about the ceilings.

And I don't know how much of that is just the biases of the world I grew up in and what I have been taught and probably more than I realize.

But I think like more...