Sam Bankman-Fried

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105 appearances 3 recordings 3 series first heard Jan 2025 last heard Mar 2025

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that's horrible that it's like this is just a disease people shouldn't be dying from anymore we know how to basically eradicate it and we should absolutely be doing that as a world but you know because it's sort of like easy in some sense um that shouldn't stop us from being able to help people you know at home you look at like the scale of resources that would be required to many of these you know interventions in the poorest part of the world and it's not that big um it's not making it would not
take a big bite out of our domestic health if it were done efficiently. But the efficient part is a big piece of this. You can throw as many useless water pumps at villages without food as you want without curing anyone.
if I could, but at the end of the day, we have responsibilities to each of us. And if I know my cousin well, and I know how to solve his problem because I'm his cousin, then absolutely, I have a responsibility to do that. But if I've tried it, I'm flailing at that.
I can't figure out how to make progress, but I can figure out how to save lives internationally, or if someone can, then I don't think it takes away from the good that they can do internationally that they couldn't figure out how to solve their cousin's problem.
So, sort of, but I'm not going to name the It's not going to be a government aid project, to be clear. There are private projects that happen.
You know, actually, malaria is a good example where a substantial fraction of the world's malaria has been cut down already by mostly private contributions from people to South Saharan Africa and India that, you know, saving probably hundreds of thousands of lives a year right now for, you know, thousands of dollars per life on average. Right. which is a stunning success on a relative scale.
Now, we're not talking about a trillion dollars. We're talking about single-digit billions of dollars directed by really careful work by philanthropists. And, you know, of course, you can look at gigantic government programs that did absolutely nothing. You know, if you want the government approach, I mean, I don't know, the Marshall Plan, like, it's sort of digging pretty deep in history.
But rebuilding Germany after World War II was probably a huge success on many fronts.
You know, the funny thing, it took me a second to think of the answer to that. Prison, time changes when you're in prison. It becomes sort of an amorphous concept, right? when every day is sort of like the last and they just blur together. The answer is, well, I guess my birthday is tomorrow. So as of right now, I'm 32, but I will be 33 soon.
I'm not. I was never big on birthdays on the outside. And Celebrating another year in prison just doesn't feel like all that exciting to me.
Someone else might tell him, but I don't plan to.
It's a complicated calculation, which I don't understand all the details of because of like first step back stuff. And if you just add my prison sentence, my age, so to speak, you know, then the answer is in my late 40s.
Sorry, what I said was wrong. I misspoke. If you add my prison sentence, my age, the late 50s, if you include all of the possible decreases, it might be the late 40s. But the raw answer is, I mean, it's 32 when I was convicted, and I got a 25-year sentence, so that's 57.
It's a good question. I'm not sure. I mean, the – the hardest thing is just not having something meaningful to be doing in here. Um, and you know, and you can look at their studies. I have no idea how good they are, but they show, you know, you age at roughly three times the normal rate in prison.
So, you know, you had three times 25 to my 32 years, um, when I was convicted and, uh, you know, that gets you an answer of maybe, um,
You know, it's whatever people have and muffins, like these old – So like little plastic wrapped, you go to like a gas station and like on the counter, there might be like a plastic bowl with little individually wrapped plastic muffins that have been sitting there for a week at room temperature. You know, imagine one of those. That's like standard.
Is that a packet of ramen soup or a kind of disgusting looking little foil package of fish in oil at room temperature?
Right. I don't think it's going to be a strategic must-fen reserve. So, you know, they're a currency of need. They wouldn't be anything else. They don't have that much to recommend themselves. But at the end of the day, they're kind of fungible. They're not exactly fungible, but they're close enough. You know, two muffins are kind of similar, so you can kind of trade them for each other.
They kind of work, as long as you're never dealing with more than, like, $5, right? Because if you wanted to do a $200 transaction in muffins, I mean, it doesn't work physically, right? It's unwieldy, yeah. It's unwieldy. And so one of the things that you realize really quickly is, I mean, the scale of everything is so diminished in prison.
You see people getting into a fistfight over a single banana. Not because they even care about it that much, but because... what else is there to channel your caring into?
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