Sam Coates

And I will say, well, funny that.

And we'll never quite know.

But I think the big point is there, which is you are not hearing anything.

people make a sustained, coherent, passionate case in public or private for this prime minister.

And the biggest lessons in politics I've learned over the last 25 years, particularly when politicians are in trouble, can be heard in the silences, not in the comments.

Yeah.

But Emily, don't you think that politics is just so much more broken than it was in the late 2000s?

The bottom line is that we're in a fragmented, now multi-party situation where...

The bonds between political leaders on Labour and the Tories, as we saw time and time again, a much looser combination of Brexit, which severed the bonds within our political... You know, it created big divides within political parties that leaders couldn't unite and heal the wounds.

I think social media, WhatsApp, creates these little pockets of dissent within political parties.

Political parties are just harder to manage.

So...

I wonder whether the conditions in late 2000s might not have been much more serious for Gordon Brown if they'd happened now.

Yeah, and practically, look...

There are much more recent historical parallels that we have to draw on, which was the defenestration of successive conservative prime ministers.

And what I'm watching for are the patterns and the similarities to see whether we get there.

Right.

And there are similarities.

Right.

The ability to govern.