Sam Coates

It looks to me as if the edifice of this government is quite rotten because it cannot get the governing functions through.

And I think that there is a chance of some kind.

If this had happened, the events the last week had happened, the other side of May, I think we might be in a much worse situation because the local election is the only thing that keeping...

mps in place and i think where the herd comes in and that's you're absolutely right is that politics is emotional and there are just moments that means where sentiment takes off against the prime minister and bang even if you don't have a succession plan it can be all over and okay let me just push back on one thing because someone said something very interesting to me who who's worked with starmer which is that when the johnson

Oh, but you've cleverly shifted to another question, which is whether or not it would be wise to do.

I'm just talking about whether or not they might.

And I think the question of whether or not they're wise to do it is a really fascinating one, because I look at the polls like you do, and there's only one candidate out there.

The money might, might even improve Labour's rating, if you ask them, and that's Andy Burnham.

And you look at Angela Rayner, you look at... I mean, Burnham, who is the one person who literally technically cannot be...

And you look at the rest, Wes Streeting, Angela Rayner, Shabana Mahmood, voters as a whole, the people that would elect or not elect Labour MPs next time round, are going, hmm, less sure about them even than the prime ministers.

You're starting where most of the cohort...

Their starting ground is the public, not sure about that.

And then you get onto the question of the markets, which I think is absolutely fundamentally one of the biggest crises that Labour could face if there is a challenge.

But I come back to sentiment.

Like, whether it's the markets, whether it's political journalists, or whether it's Labour MPs and MPs as a whole, the mood can go up, it can go down, and when the herd moves, it moves.

quite possible I think I would adopt the government official spokesman position of my head can't cope with that counterfactual I've seen Andy Burnham campaigns before but no you're right I think that was a defining moment and that was probably a call that means he's still sitting where he is today probably because what you're essentially saying is people will need to ferment chaos and have the appetite to

I mean, you guys remember what it's like when you get rid of a prime minister.

It's like standing behind the jet engine of a massive jumbo jet.

You can feel the force coming at you, the very foundations of the Houses of Parliament shake.

It's an incredible feeling.