Sam Harris

And he couldn't possibly give an honest or sane answer to the question you asked me about empathy and reason and like, how should we, you know, what should guide us?

I genuinely think he is missing some necessary moral and psychological tools, right?

And this is, I can feel compassion for him as a human being because I think having those things is incredibly important and genuinely loving other people is incredibly important and

And knowing what all that's about is that's really the good stuff in life.

And I think he's missing a lot of that.

But I think we don't want to promote people to the highest positions of power in our society who are far outliers in pathological terms, right?

We want them to be far outliers in, in the best case, in wisdom and compassion and some of the things you've

some of the topics you brought up.

I mean, we want someone to be deeply informed.

We want someone to be unusually curious, unusually alert to how they may be wrong or getting things wrong consequentially.

He's none of those things.

And insofar as we're going to get normal mediocrities in that role, which I think is often the best we could expect, let's get normal mediocrities in that role, not

you know, once in a generation narcissists and frauds.

I mean, it's like, we just take honesty as a single variable, right?

I think you want, yes, it's possible that most politicians lie, at least some of the time.

I don't think that's a good thing.

I think people should be generally honest, even to a fault.

Yes, there are certain circumstances where lying, I think, is necessary.

It's kind of on a continuum of self-defense and violence.

So it's like if you're going to... If the Nazis come to your door and ask you if you've got Anne Frank in the attic, I think it's okay to lie to them.