Sam Harris

And people read into that some kind of genius, you know, insight politically.

And so he gets promoted.

And so that's the joke of the film.

For me, Trump has always been someone like an evil Chauncey Gardner.

I mean, he's, it's not to say he's totally, yes, he has a certain kind of genius.

He's got a genius for creating a spectacle around himself, right?

He's got a genius for getting the eye of the media always coming back to him.

But it's only, it's a kind of,

It's a kind of self-promotion that only works if you actually are truly shameless and don't care about having a reputation for anything that I or you would want to have a reputation for, right?

It's like it's pure, the pure pornography of attention, right?

And he just wants more of it.

I think the truly depressing and genuinely scary thing was that

We have a country, at least half of the country, given how broken our society is in many ways, we have a country that didn't see anything wrong with that.

Bringing someone who obviously doesn't know what he should know to be president

and who's obviously not a good person, right?

Obviously doesn't care about people, can't even pretend to care about people really, right, in a credible way.

And so, I mean, if there's a silver lining to this, it's along the lines you just sketched, it shows us how vulnerable our system is to a truly brilliant and sinister figure, right?

I mean, like I think we are, we really dodged a bullet.

Yes, someone far more competent and conniving and ideological could have exploited our system

in a way that Trump didn't.