Sam Harris

I mean, it's obvious they don't work well for everybody, but they do work for some people.

But again, depression is a multifactorial problem, and there are different levels at which to influence it.

And there are things like meditation, there are things like just life changes, and...

One of the perverse things about depression is that when you're depressed, all of the things that would be good for you to do are precisely the things you don't want to do.

You don't have any energy to socialize.

You don't want to get things done.

You don't want to exercise.

And all of those things, if you got those up and running, they do make you feel better in the aggregate.

But the reality is that there are clinical level depressions that are so bad that it's just, we just don't have good tools for them.

And it's not enough to tell, there's no life change someone's gonna embrace that is going to be an obvious remedy for that.

I mean, pandemics are obviously a complicated problem, but I would consider it much simpler than depression in terms of what's on the menu to be chosen among the various choices.

It's less multifactorial.

The logic by which you would make those choices, yeah.

So it's like, we have a virus, we have a new virus.

It's some version of bad.

It's human transmissible.

We're still catching up.

We're catching up to every aspect of it.

We don't know how it spreads.

We don't know how.