Sam Harris

And, um, he may be a great musician.

You know, I'm not, you know, I've, it's certainly not my wheelhouse to compare him to any other musicians, but, um,

One thing that's patently obvious from your conversation is he's not who he thinks he is intellectually or ethically or in any other relevant way.

And so when you couple that to the antisemitism he was spreading, which was genuinely noxious and ill-considered and...

has potential knock-on effects in the black community.

I mean, there's an ambient level of antisemitism in the black community that is worth worrying about and talking about anyway.

There's a bunch of guys playing the knockout game in Brooklyn, just punching Orthodox Jews in the face.

And I think letting Kanye air his antisemitism that publicly only raises the likelihood of that rather than diminishes it.

Just- You mean antisemitic things?

But here's the reality.

So I'm Jewish, although obviously not religious.

I have never taken... I've been a student of the Holocaust, obviously.

I know a lot about that, and there's reason to be a student of the Holocaust.

But

In my lifetime and in my experience, I have never taken anti-Semitism very seriously.

I have not worried about it.

I have not made a thing of it.

I've done exactly one podcast on it.

I had Barry Weiss on my podcast when her book came out.

But it really is a thing, and it's...