Sam Harris

Saved by a rhinoceros, yeah.

Well, I think as we're speaking, there's a lawsuit, I think the first of its kind, against social media companies in California.

You mentioned John Haidt.

He's been obviously instrumental in bringing awareness to this issue, especially the harm done to teenagers by social media.

What is the path forward?

Do you think it's a successful series of lawsuits, a revocation of Section 230, just a virtuous cycle of social contagion where we all begin to change our minds at once and influence the norms around using social media?

Or is it just that AI slop itself will provide some cure because...

Every video you see, your first question here until the end of the world is, you know, is this even real?

And it will begin to no longer care what's being presented in these non-gate-kept channels.

So like the old blue check mark on Twitter was a good idea.

Yeah.

you know, sort of credibly real voices.

Yeah, yeah.

I know you've done some research of late on AI and how it changes not just human behavior with respect to technology or information sources, but behavior toward one another, right?

It alters the mechanics of human cooperation on some level.

You know, take that strand if you want, but just generally speaking, what are your thoughts about AI and where all of this is headed for us?

Yeah, I think, actually, I think it's higher coming from him.

I think his estimate was higher, but maybe he's recalibrated it in the interest of public relations.

But I think he was more like 20% at one point.

No, 2% is terrifying, but 20% is psychotic.