Sam Harris

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Hi, I'm here with Jonathan Rauch.

Thanks for joining me again.

Happy to be here.

So let's jump right into it.

You have recently written yet another important article for The Atlantic where you can often be found.

The title of this one is, Yes, It's Fascism.

So that got my attention.

I'm sure it got other people's attention.

Like you, I've resisted using this term because there were obvious...

historical associations that didn't quite and don't quite map on to our current circumstance under Trump 2.0.

But the resistance has seemed more and more pedantic as the months have rolled by and the overreach and indecency of this administration has become more and more obvious and unignorable and odious.

Well, let's just start with your misgivings about it, which you expressed to some degree in the article, and yet you've overcome them.

How did you decide to finally pull the trigger on this terminology and what are your concerns about doing so?

So, yeah, I want to walk through those 18 or many of them as you present them in the article.