Sam Harris

Well, no, but if China or Russia attempted to take it, they would be attacking a NATO country, right, which we're sworn to defend.

It would be the same situation.

This is something that has emerged from Trump's...

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Well, I'm here with Judea Pearl.

Judea, thanks for coming into the studio.

Great to see you.

Yeah, I came to you last time.

Yeah, I was in your office.

I actually didn't look to see when that was, but that's a few years ago, certainly.

That was for your book, The Book of Why.