Sam Harris

So it's not just more data and more compute.

Can you articulate the reason why in terms that a layperson can understand?

I mean, if someone asked you, why is this insurmountable by virtue of just throwing more data and compute at it?

But couldn't we just put the data itself in as well?

You say you can't get interpretation from interventions?

But intervention is, just remind me, but it's... Intervention is what will happen if

Right.

So it's a kind of an experiment or a thought experiment.

And also, doesn't it imply a kind of counterfactual condition where you're saying, you know, what would have happened if we didn't intervene?

No.

No?

Here you have a barrier.

And you'd put counterfactuals on the side of interpretation.

Yes, correct.

So who among the other patriarchs in the field fundamentally disagrees with you?

I mean, do people like Geoffrey Hinton or others who have...

Oh, I hadn't heard that, yeah.

Yes, yes.

Mm-hmm.

So I can't recall if we spoke about this last time, but where are you on concerns around alignment and an intelligence explosion?