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Sam Jacobs

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SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
How Pavilion Hit $10m in Revenue While Balancing Investor and Customer Demands with CEO Sam Jacobs

So what are the things that underpin this bow tie?

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
How Pavilion Hit $10m in Revenue While Balancing Investor and Customer Demands with CEO Sam Jacobs

The first thing is a common set of data, a common set of data and governance around who controls the data.

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
How Pavilion Hit $10m in Revenue While Balancing Investor and Customer Demands with CEO Sam Jacobs

One of the things that the bow tie gives rise to

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
How Pavilion Hit $10m in Revenue While Balancing Investor and Customer Demands with CEO Sam Jacobs

is the rise of revenue operations as a critical department within the go-to-market organization.

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
How Pavilion Hit $10m in Revenue While Balancing Investor and Customer Demands with CEO Sam Jacobs

And that's because you don't want the sales team and the marketing team and the CS team to all have different data sets.

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
How Pavilion Hit $10m in Revenue While Balancing Investor and Customer Demands with CEO Sam Jacobs

There needs to be one set of data, and you need to have that data that aligns customer intervention, customer activity, effectively a customer health score, but that clearly correlates it to renewal and to customer delight.

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
How Pavilion Hit $10m in Revenue While Balancing Investor and Customer Demands with CEO Sam Jacobs

And that's perhaps obvious, and that's why there's been the rise of platforms like Catalyst and Tatango,

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
How Pavilion Hit $10m in Revenue While Balancing Investor and Customer Demands with CEO Sam Jacobs

But it still hasn't been done.

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
How Pavilion Hit $10m in Revenue While Balancing Investor and Customer Demands with CEO Sam Jacobs

It's still true that most of the time we're going to look at new business.

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
How Pavilion Hit $10m in Revenue While Balancing Investor and Customer Demands with CEO Sam Jacobs

We're going to default back to what's happening on the new business side.

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
How Pavilion Hit $10m in Revenue While Balancing Investor and Customer Demands with CEO Sam Jacobs

And we're not going to be looking as closely or as rigorously around what's happening on the retention side.

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
How Pavilion Hit $10m in Revenue While Balancing Investor and Customer Demands with CEO Sam Jacobs

And again, what's the point that I'm making?

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
How Pavilion Hit $10m in Revenue While Balancing Investor and Customer Demands with CEO Sam Jacobs

The point is, this was OK if we only looked at this half in a world of growth at any cost.

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
How Pavilion Hit $10m in Revenue While Balancing Investor and Customer Demands with CEO Sam Jacobs

because the only thing that mattered was growth.

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
How Pavilion Hit $10m in Revenue While Balancing Investor and Customer Demands with CEO Sam Jacobs

So we could throw as much money as we could at growth.

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
How Pavilion Hit $10m in Revenue While Balancing Investor and Customer Demands with CEO Sam Jacobs

That would drive valuation.

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
How Pavilion Hit $10m in Revenue While Balancing Investor and Customer Demands with CEO Sam Jacobs

We'd get 40 times ARR or some crazy multiple.

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
How Pavilion Hit $10m in Revenue While Balancing Investor and Customer Demands with CEO Sam Jacobs

And it wouldn't really matter what retention looked like or what our ongoing customer activity looked like.

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
How Pavilion Hit $10m in Revenue While Balancing Investor and Customer Demands with CEO Sam Jacobs

It was still true that we talked about best-in-class companies like Snowflake with 180% net revenue retention.

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
How Pavilion Hit $10m in Revenue While Balancing Investor and Customer Demands with CEO Sam Jacobs

But the fundamental fact was that we weren't instrumenting.