Sam Jarrell

So I would imagine this is leading to some very tough questions when it comes to finance for this sort of project.

I agree.

I feel like Karim covered a lot.

But I think similarly, one of the biggest things that hit me was that we sort of talk about and quite often treat energy like it's an infinite resource, but it definitely isn't.

The sources for it, for many of them, will go away someday.

And so there's that tension between limitless digital growth and then this very finite global energy capacity.

And it's becoming infinite.

harder and harder to ignore.

And I think that this episode really, really talks to something important, which is how do we handle that?

Because there is also the tension between data centers themselves and the need to have them and be able to leverage tools like AI and the impacts that we'll have in local communities around the world, right?

And the ability for people themselves to also just use energy for

personal purposes.

So I thought that this was a pretty fascinating conversation and a bit of a wake up call.

I don't know if organizations and governments are quite prepared for this.

I think it's interesting because not everyone wants a conversation about sustainability, but everyone does care about reducing costs and improving performance.

So efficiency is sort of the doorway to both.

I appreciated that part of the conversation.

And I imagine in places where there's not really a heavy investment in renewables, as finite energy sources become increasingly strained, this could be a good forcing function from an efficiency perspective, right?

of investing more into renewable energy sources because you can't just rely for forever on things like natural gas, coal, oil.

And so there needs to be more levers, essentially, like Karim was saying, the five energy levers in order for organizations and countries to stay competitive and stay afloat from like an energy perspective.