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Sam Mullins

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
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Sea of Lies from Uncover
S32 E5: Life on The Lam | Sea of Lies

It was an extremely solid circumstantial case.

Sea of Lies from Uncover
S32 E5: Life on The Lam | Sea of Lies

But one thing we all know from listening to prestige true crime podcasts is that strong circumstantial cases are not always a slam dunk. Reasonable doubt is a huge hurdle, and know who loves cases built entirely on circumstantial evidence? Defense attorneys. What the prosecutors really needed to shore up this case was testimony from the one person who was there with Walker in Devon.

Sea of Lies from Uncover
S32 E5: Life on The Lam | Sea of Lies

But one thing we all know from listening to prestige true crime podcasts is that strong circumstantial cases are not always a slam dunk. Reasonable doubt is a huge hurdle, and know who loves cases built entirely on circumstantial evidence? Defense attorneys. What the prosecutors really needed to shore up this case was testimony from the one person who was there with Walker in Devon.

Sea of Lies from Uncover
S32 E5: Life on The Lam | Sea of Lies

They needed Sheena, and they needed her to testify. Shortly after the Interpol revelation, Sheena flew home to Canada with her two children and her mother Barb. While the detectives and prosecutors were building their case in England, Sheena disappeared completely from the public eye and was sheltered from the media circus by her mother and community.

Sea of Lies from Uncover
S32 E5: Life on The Lam | Sea of Lies

They needed Sheena, and they needed her to testify. Shortly after the Interpol revelation, Sheena flew home to Canada with her two children and her mother Barb. While the detectives and prosecutors were building their case in England, Sheena disappeared completely from the public eye and was sheltered from the media circus by her mother and community.

Sea of Lies from Uncover
S32 E5: Life on The Lam | Sea of Lies

But during that year and a half, those working the case wondered, would she take the stand against her father? Or even now, would she remain loyal to him? No one knew how deeply Albert's hooks were sunk in. One day, back in Canada, Sheena got a call from a UK prison. It was her father. He said, listen to me closely. I need you to change your story. Coming up on Sea of Lies.

Sea of Lies from Uncover
S32 E5: Life on The Lam | Sea of Lies

But during that year and a half, those working the case wondered, would she take the stand against her father? Or even now, would she remain loyal to him? No one knew how deeply Albert's hooks were sunk in. One day, back in Canada, Sheena got a call from a UK prison. It was her father. He said, listen to me closely. I need you to change your story. Coming up on Sea of Lies.

Sea of Lies from Uncover
S32 E5: Life on The Lam | Sea of Lies

Sea of Lies is produced by What's the Story Sounds for CBC. It's hosted and written by me, Sam Mullins, and produced and reported by Alex Gatenby. Mixing and sound design is by Ivan Eastley. From What's the Story Sounds, our executive producers are David Waters and Daryl Brown. At CBC Podcasts, the senior producers are Andrew Friesen and Damon Fairless. Eunice Kim is our story editor.

Sea of Lies from Uncover
S32 E5: Life on The Lam | Sea of Lies

Sea of Lies is produced by What's the Story Sounds for CBC. It's hosted and written by me, Sam Mullins, and produced and reported by Alex Gatenby. Mixing and sound design is by Ivan Eastley. From What's the Story Sounds, our executive producers are David Waters and Daryl Brown. At CBC Podcasts, the senior producers are Andrew Friesen and Damon Fairless. Eunice Kim is our story editor.

Sea of Lies from Uncover
S32 E5: Life on The Lam | Sea of Lies

Emily Connell is our digital coordinating producer. Executive producers are Cecil Fernandez and Chris Oak. Senior manager is Tanya Springer. And the director of CBC Podcasts is Arif Noorani.

Sea of Lies from Uncover
S32 E5: Life on The Lam | Sea of Lies

Emily Connell is our digital coordinating producer. Executive producers are Cecil Fernandez and Chris Oak. Senior manager is Tanya Springer. And the director of CBC Podcasts is Arif Noorani.

Sea of Lies from Uncover
S32 E6: Sheena | Sea of Lies

This is a CBC Podcast. I've been thinking about what it means to be 15 years old. When you're 15, you don't have the responsibility yet of a driver's license, and you don't need to have clear answers about who you want to be. You're still more kid than adult. But you can feel that starting to change.

Sea of Lies from Uncover
S32 E6: Sheena | Sea of Lies

This is a CBC Podcast. I've been thinking about what it means to be 15 years old. When you're 15, you don't have the responsibility yet of a driver's license, and you don't need to have clear answers about who you want to be. You're still more kid than adult. But you can feel that starting to change.

Sea of Lies from Uncover
S32 E6: Sheena | Sea of Lies

You can sense that you're at the beginning of having real agency, where you're like, what am I good at? Where do I want to go? What do I want all of this to look like? To be 15 is to still be a child, but a child first grasping the raw, undiluted potential of life. It's the age Sheena Walker was in 1990, when she first disappeared from her mother, her siblings, her friends.

Sea of Lies from Uncover
S32 E6: Sheena | Sea of Lies

You can sense that you're at the beginning of having real agency, where you're like, what am I good at? Where do I want to go? What do I want all of this to look like? To be 15 is to still be a child, but a child first grasping the raw, undiluted potential of life. It's the age Sheena Walker was in 1990, when she first disappeared from her mother, her siblings, her friends.

Sea of Lies from Uncover
S32 E6: Sheena | Sea of Lies

Her mother got the call that they'd found her six years later. When the Devon police figured out Sheena's true identity, immediately, they set about how best to reunite mother and daughter. Taking into consideration, of course, that the daughter in this case now had two young daughters of her own.

Sea of Lies from Uncover
S32 E6: Sheena | Sea of Lies

Her mother got the call that they'd found her six years later. When the Devon police figured out Sheena's true identity, immediately, they set about how best to reunite mother and daughter. Taking into consideration, of course, that the daughter in this case now had two young daughters of her own.

Sea of Lies from Uncover
S32 E6: Sheena | Sea of Lies

The officer tasked with setting up this sensitive reunion was Brian Slade, a member of the original team that conducted the search of Little London Farmhouse.

Sea of Lies from Uncover
S32 E6: Sheena | Sea of Lies

The officer tasked with setting up this sensitive reunion was Brian Slade, a member of the original team that conducted the search of Little London Farmhouse.

Sea of Lies from Uncover
S32 E6: Sheena | Sea of Lies

Slade had been assigned to be the point of contact between Sheena and the police ever since they still thought Sheena was Noelle.