Sam Tallent

But then you can expand upon them.

And it's literally just not being in front of the computer.

It's your eyes seeing real light, I think, is a big part of it.

Because I have to write like at my desk in my computer.

But as soon as you get outside, you're like, oh, that's how light hits a tree at this time of day.

Or like, that's actually lavender.

I was talking about lilac.

There's just all these little things that are, I mean, romantic for sure, but also very applicable in concrete ways to your art.

Swimming's good for that, too.

Swimming's nice.

Yeah, you get in the pool, and all of a sudden, everything is changed.

You have a complete different perspective.

And you're just in there doing your laps, or even if you're just, like, floating.

Like, when I was in Vegas, I had to swim because you can't walk around outside.

So I'd just be in the pool.

I remember there was this big fat dude, and he was like, hey, man, you're putting in the work, man.

And I was like, thanks, bro.

And he's like, just keep doing it, man.

This is good for you.

And then he got out of the pool, and he had a giant swastika tattoo on his back.