Sam Tallent

You can't take your kids to the cage fight and complain about violence.

Yeah.

Well, and also they can go into places and then they gentrify these places on the margins of the city.

And the next thing you know, all the houses are worth so much money because they invest so much in their properties.

They're very generous people.

Yeah, the city of San Francisco.

I mean, it was just normal for you as a boy to understand that your aunt had these gay friends.

And it wasn't made strange or they weren't othered.

Yeah.

That's kind of what you want, right?

I want people to be themselves.

I want liberty and freedom for all.

I think that the young people now, they want to be homophobic, but I think that most 18 to 23-year-old dudes have probably sucked a dick or had their dick sucked by a fella.

Really?

I don't know.

I'd venture to guess that they're- What do you think is happening today?

It was just accepted, and it was like part of passing your philosophy forward.

Bizarre.

Because you would take an apprentice, and you'd also fuck his thighs from behind.

But then he would tell the world your story.