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Samanth Subramanian

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
314 total appearances

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Samanth Subramanian on the Undersea Cables That Keep the Internet Alive

But the main one is called HMN, which is a spinoff of Huawei.

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Samanth Subramanian on the Undersea Cables That Keep the Internet Alive

And HMN has been in the cable business for a while now, like I think more than a decade.

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Samanth Subramanian on the Undersea Cables That Keep the Internet Alive

And HMN doesn't really own cables outright.

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Samanth Subramanian on the Undersea Cables That Keep the Internet Alive

HMN is kind of like these two or three big companies, including Subcom in the U.S., that lay cables.

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Samanth Subramanian on the Undersea Cables That Keep the Internet Alive

They kind of go out there and they lay the cable for a corporate customer.

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Samanth Subramanian on the Undersea Cables That Keep the Internet Alive

And so you could easily go to them and say, why don't you lay out cable instead?

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Samanth Subramanian on the Undersea Cables That Keep the Internet Alive

It'll be sort of cheaper than these American companies that do it.

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Samanth Subramanian on the Undersea Cables That Keep the Internet Alive

The problem here is that as for the last six or seven years, Chinese tech companies have been on sanctions lists around the world after the first Trump administration put them there.

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Samanth Subramanian on the Undersea Cables That Keep the Internet Alive

So to go out and engage HMN and to ask Huawei to come and lay a cable is to sort of risk going against that sanctions list and therefore risk all kinds of punitive measures being enforced against you.

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Samanth Subramanian on the Undersea Cables That Keep the Internet Alive

There used to be a time that the idyllic days, about eight or nine years ago, when Western companies and Chinese companies would come together in consortiums and lay cables jointly.

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Samanth Subramanian on the Undersea Cables That Keep the Internet Alive

They would kind of bear part of the burden and they would figure out who was going to do the actual laying and how much bandwidth people would get.

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Samanth Subramanian on the Undersea Cables That Keep the Internet Alive

Two or three of these projects have actually been frozen.

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Samanth Subramanian on the Undersea Cables That Keep the Internet Alive

In one case, the cable has actually been laid, but nobody can switch it on because the U.S.

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Samanth Subramanian on the Undersea Cables That Keep the Internet Alive

government doesn't want that to happen because a Chinese company is involved.

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Samanth Subramanian on the Undersea Cables That Keep the Internet Alive

In two other cases, I think the mapping was done, the funds were committed, and then they had to kind of pull everything back.

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Samanth Subramanian on the Undersea Cables That Keep the Internet Alive

There hasn't been a new cable laid between China and the U.S.

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Samanth Subramanian on the Undersea Cables That Keep the Internet Alive

direct in years, in years, even though traffic between these two countries has never been greater.

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Samanth Subramanian on the Undersea Cables That Keep the Internet Alive

So you have to route everything now through the Philippines or through Singapore.

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Samanth Subramanian on the Undersea Cables That Keep the Internet Alive

It's like a very, very long way around to go from Chinese East Coast to the West Coast of the US.

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Samanth Subramanian on the Undersea Cables That Keep the Internet Alive

So none of this is, of course, efficient in any way or desirable in any way.