Sandy Greenberg

And what is happening then with the police? Is this investigation open? Are there plans to open it?

And what is happening then with the police? Is this investigation open? Are there plans to open it?

And what is happening then with the police? Is this investigation open? Are there plans to open it?

And the Greenbergs spoke to NBC10 WCAU Philadelphia after the agreement. I hope today we made Ellen proud of us.

And the Greenbergs spoke to NBC10 WCAU Philadelphia after the agreement. I hope today we made Ellen proud of us.

And the Greenbergs spoke to NBC10 WCAU Philadelphia after the agreement. I hope today we made Ellen proud of us.

Thank you so much, Brian.

Thank you so much, Brian.

Thank you so much, Brian.

Up next, it's time for Dateline Roundup. We've got an update from Hawaii as the defense team for Eric Thompson, the man accused of murdering his wife's ex-lover, makes its case. And Donna Adelson's latest court filing, the Florida matriarch accused of masterminding a hit for hire wants out of jail. Plus, we've seen it in a few cases this year, jurors asking questions during murder trials.

Up next, it's time for Dateline Roundup. We've got an update from Hawaii as the defense team for Eric Thompson, the man accused of murdering his wife's ex-lover, makes its case. And Donna Adelson's latest court filing, the Florida matriarch accused of masterminding a hit for hire wants out of jail. Plus, we've seen it in a few cases this year, jurors asking questions during murder trials.

Up next, it's time for Dateline Roundup. We've got an update from Hawaii as the defense team for Eric Thompson, the man accused of murdering his wife's ex-lover, makes its case. And Donna Adelson's latest court filing, the Florida matriarch accused of masterminding a hit for hire wants out of jail. Plus, we've seen it in a few cases this year, jurors asking questions during murder trials.

Does it work? We've got a judge to give us his take. Welcome back. Joining me for this week's Roundup is Dateline Associate Producer Kelly Moody. Hey, Kelly. Hi, Andrea. How are you? Good. So you have the assignment of the year this winter. You're in Hawaii to cover a case that we talked about a few weeks ago on the podcast. We're talking about Eric Thompson.

Does it work? We've got a judge to give us his take. Welcome back. Joining me for this week's Roundup is Dateline Associate Producer Kelly Moody. Hey, Kelly. Hi, Andrea. How are you? Good. So you have the assignment of the year this winter. You're in Hawaii to cover a case that we talked about a few weeks ago on the podcast. We're talking about Eric Thompson.

Does it work? We've got a judge to give us his take. Welcome back. Joining me for this week's Roundup is Dateline Associate Producer Kelly Moody. Hey, Kelly. Hi, Andrea. How are you? Good. So you have the assignment of the year this winter. You're in Hawaii to cover a case that we talked about a few weeks ago on the podcast. We're talking about Eric Thompson.

It's been a year since anybody has heard from Anna Kinesovich and a year since a man wearing a motorcycle helmet was caught on video spray painting over the lens of a security camera in her Madrid apartment building. Federal prosecutors say that mystery man was Ana's husband, David Kinesovich. In May, David was arrested and charged with Ana's kidnapping.

It's been a year since anybody has heard from Anna Kinesovich and a year since a man wearing a motorcycle helmet was caught on video spray painting over the lens of a security camera in her Madrid apartment building. Federal prosecutors say that mystery man was Ana's husband, David Kinesovich. In May, David was arrested and charged with Ana's kidnapping.

It's been a year since anybody has heard from Anna Kinesovich and a year since a man wearing a motorcycle helmet was caught on video spray painting over the lens of a security camera in her Madrid apartment building. Federal prosecutors say that mystery man was Ana's husband, David Kinesovich. In May, David was arrested and charged with Ana's kidnapping.

He is on trial for the second time for the murder of his wife's former lover in 2022. His first trial ended in a hung jury. So, Kelly, first just remind us about this case.

He is on trial for the second time for the murder of his wife's former lover in 2022. His first trial ended in a hung jury. So, Kelly, first just remind us about this case.

He is on trial for the second time for the murder of his wife's former lover in 2022. His first trial ended in a hung jury. So, Kelly, first just remind us about this case.

So it is now week four in the trial, and we are in the defense portion. They are trying to poke holes in the prosecution's case.

So it is now week four in the trial, and we are in the defense portion. They are trying to poke holes in the prosecution's case.

So it is now week four in the trial, and we are in the defense portion. They are trying to poke holes in the prosecution's case.

The defense also called Eric Thompson's brother, Michael, to give character testimony. What did he have to say about his brother?

The defense also called Eric Thompson's brother, Michael, to give character testimony. What did he have to say about his brother?

The defense also called Eric Thompson's brother, Michael, to give character testimony. What did he have to say about his brother?

Eric has pleaded not guilty. What can we expect from the trial in the coming days?

Eric has pleaded not guilty. What can we expect from the trial in the coming days?

Eric has pleaded not guilty. What can we expect from the trial in the coming days?

Okay, we'll be sure to check back in on that one and see what the jury decides. Up next, a defendant in a double homicide out of Kansas. And this is not her first murder trial or her second. Kelly, bring us up to speed on Dana Chandler and her third murder trial in two decades.

Okay, we'll be sure to check back in on that one and see what the jury decides. Up next, a defendant in a double homicide out of Kansas. And this is not her first murder trial or her second. Kelly, bring us up to speed on Dana Chandler and her third murder trial in two decades.

Okay, we'll be sure to check back in on that one and see what the jury decides. Up next, a defendant in a double homicide out of Kansas. And this is not her first murder trial or her second. Kelly, bring us up to speed on Dana Chandler and her third murder trial in two decades.

So her third murder trial began last Friday, and the big news out of the courtroom last week is that Chandler is representing herself.

So her third murder trial began last Friday, and the big news out of the courtroom last week is that Chandler is representing herself.

So her third murder trial began last Friday, and the big news out of the courtroom last week is that Chandler is representing herself.

And we've learned that the court appointed standby counsel for her. Yeah.

And we've learned that the court appointed standby counsel for her. Yeah.

And we've learned that the court appointed standby counsel for her. Yeah.

Finally, we are off to Florida, where Donna Adelson's defense attorneys are pushing for her release as she awaits her murder trial. She is the 75-year-old family matriarch and fifth person charged in the murder-for-hire plot of her former son-in-law, law professor Dan Markell. Now, she's in protective custody, right, Kelly?

Finally, we are off to Florida, where Donna Adelson's defense attorneys are pushing for her release as she awaits her murder trial. She is the 75-year-old family matriarch and fifth person charged in the murder-for-hire plot of her former son-in-law, law professor Dan Markell. Now, she's in protective custody, right, Kelly?

Finally, we are off to Florida, where Donna Adelson's defense attorneys are pushing for her release as she awaits her murder trial. She is the 75-year-old family matriarch and fifth person charged in the murder-for-hire plot of her former son-in-law, law professor Dan Markell. Now, she's in protective custody, right, Kelly?

Six months after that, the charges were upgraded. NBC6 South Florida WTVJ covered the news.

Six months after that, the charges were upgraded. NBC6 South Florida WTVJ covered the news.

Six months after that, the charges were upgraded. NBC6 South Florida WTVJ covered the news.

And her defense attorneys say, should Bond be set, she's not a flight risk. But remember, this is the woman who was arrested as she was about to board a one-way flight to Vietnam, although her lawyer argues she was going on vacation and there was no warrant for her arrest at the time. We can expect a ruling on this motion on February 27th. When, Kelly, can we expect her trial to begin?

And her defense attorneys say, should Bond be set, she's not a flight risk. But remember, this is the woman who was arrested as she was about to board a one-way flight to Vietnam, although her lawyer argues she was going on vacation and there was no warrant for her arrest at the time. We can expect a ruling on this motion on February 27th. When, Kelly, can we expect her trial to begin?

And her defense attorneys say, should Bond be set, she's not a flight risk. But remember, this is the woman who was arrested as she was about to board a one-way flight to Vietnam, although her lawyer argues she was going on vacation and there was no warrant for her arrest at the time. We can expect a ruling on this motion on February 27th. When, Kelly, can we expect her trial to begin?

Her trial is currently still set to start in June of 2025. Okay, so many cases to watch. Thanks, Kelly, for joining us this week. Enjoy Hawaii. Thank you. Will do. Before I introduce my next guest, take a listen to this.

Her trial is currently still set to start in June of 2025. Okay, so many cases to watch. Thanks, Kelly, for joining us this week. Enjoy Hawaii. Thank you. Will do. Before I introduce my next guest, take a listen to this.

Her trial is currently still set to start in June of 2025. Okay, so many cases to watch. Thanks, Kelly, for joining us this week. Enjoy Hawaii. Thank you. Will do. Before I introduce my next guest, take a listen to this.

That is the voice of Judge Boyd Patterson reading out juror questions to witnesses at the trial of Jason Chen. Chen was convicted last month of murdering his 22-year-old girlfriend, Jasmine Pace. And the Jason Chen trial wasn't the first time we've come across jurors asking questions of witnesses in the courtroom this year.

That is the voice of Judge Boyd Patterson reading out juror questions to witnesses at the trial of Jason Chen. Chen was convicted last month of murdering his 22-year-old girlfriend, Jasmine Pace. And the Jason Chen trial wasn't the first time we've come across jurors asking questions of witnesses in the courtroom this year.

That is the voice of Judge Boyd Patterson reading out juror questions to witnesses at the trial of Jason Chen. Chen was convicted last month of murdering his 22-year-old girlfriend, Jasmine Pace. And the Jason Chen trial wasn't the first time we've come across jurors asking questions of witnesses in the courtroom this year.

Our team noticed it at the trial of Richard Allen, the man convicted of murdering two schoolgirls in Delphi, Indiana.

Our team noticed it at the trial of Richard Allen, the man convicted of murdering two schoolgirls in Delphi, Indiana.

Our team noticed it at the trial of Richard Allen, the man convicted of murdering two schoolgirls in Delphi, Indiana.

More recently, jurors had lots to say in San Francisco, where Nima Momeni was convicted of fatally stabbing Cash App co-founder Bob Lee. There was quite a large stack of questions from jury members to Nima. This made us wonder, why do we hear jurors asking questions in some trials but not others? And what are the pros and the cons?

More recently, jurors had lots to say in San Francisco, where Nima Momeni was convicted of fatally stabbing Cash App co-founder Bob Lee. There was quite a large stack of questions from jury members to Nima. This made us wonder, why do we hear jurors asking questions in some trials but not others? And what are the pros and the cons?

More recently, jurors had lots to say in San Francisco, where Nima Momeni was convicted of fatally stabbing Cash App co-founder Bob Lee. There was quite a large stack of questions from jury members to Nima. This made us wonder, why do we hear jurors asking questions in some trials but not others? And what are the pros and the cons?

So we asked Judge Patterson to come on the podcast and share with us what he's seen in the courtroom when juries are given the freedom to ask what's on their mind. Hi, Judge. Thanks for coming on the podcast.

So we asked Judge Patterson to come on the podcast and share with us what he's seen in the courtroom when juries are given the freedom to ask what's on their mind. Hi, Judge. Thanks for coming on the podcast.

So we asked Judge Patterson to come on the podcast and share with us what he's seen in the courtroom when juries are given the freedom to ask what's on their mind. Hi, Judge. Thanks for coming on the podcast.

So as we mentioned, you allowed the juror questions in the Jason Chen trial. But most of the cases we cover don't involve jurors asking questions. Why do we see it sometimes and sometimes not?

So as we mentioned, you allowed the juror questions in the Jason Chen trial. But most of the cases we cover don't involve jurors asking questions. Why do we see it sometimes and sometimes not?

So as we mentioned, you allowed the juror questions in the Jason Chen trial. But most of the cases we cover don't involve jurors asking questions. Why do we see it sometimes and sometimes not?

Even though questions are allowed in a lot of states, a lot of judges won't use that tool. Is it always the judge that decides?

Even though questions are allowed in a lot of states, a lot of judges won't use that tool. Is it always the judge that decides?

Even though questions are allowed in a lot of states, a lot of judges won't use that tool. Is it always the judge that decides?

Ana had moved from Fort Lauderdale to Spain while she and David were separating. Prosecutors say David tracked her down there and killed her, but her body has not been found. Search efforts for Ana Maria in Europe have turned up empty. His lawyer says he's not guilty and there's no proof Ana is even dead. But investigators in this country have been busy, too.

Ana had moved from Fort Lauderdale to Spain while she and David were separating. Prosecutors say David tracked her down there and killed her, but her body has not been found. Search efforts for Ana Maria in Europe have turned up empty. His lawyer says he's not guilty and there's no proof Ana is even dead. But investigators in this country have been busy, too.

Ana had moved from Fort Lauderdale to Spain while she and David were separating. Prosecutors say David tracked her down there and killed her, but her body has not been found. Search efforts for Ana Maria in Europe have turned up empty. His lawyer says he's not guilty and there's no proof Ana is even dead. But investigators in this country have been busy, too.

So take us inside the courtroom where it is allowed. How does it work?

So take us inside the courtroom where it is allowed. How does it work?

So take us inside the courtroom where it is allowed. How does it work?

What would you say are the biggest benefits to allowing jurors to ask questions?

What would you say are the biggest benefits to allowing jurors to ask questions?

What would you say are the biggest benefits to allowing jurors to ask questions?

I can't help but feel like they're channeling their inner Dateline correspondent when they come up with these questions.

I can't help but feel like they're channeling their inner Dateline correspondent when they come up with these questions.

I can't help but feel like they're channeling their inner Dateline correspondent when they come up with these questions.

What are the criticisms of asking questions as you go along? Because there are places where this is not allowed. Why not?

What are the criticisms of asking questions as you go along? Because there are places where this is not allowed. Why not?

What are the criticisms of asking questions as you go along? Because there are places where this is not allowed. Why not?

Judge, is it true that it can reduce hung juries?

Judge, is it true that it can reduce hung juries?

Judge, is it true that it can reduce hung juries?

Okay, Judge Patterson, this has been fascinating. Thank you for giving us your insight.

Okay, Judge Patterson, this has been fascinating. Thank you for giving us your insight.

Okay, Judge Patterson, this has been fascinating. Thank you for giving us your insight.

That's it for this episode of Dateline True Crime Weekly. Next week, I'll be off, but Blaine Alexander will be here to host, and she has a very special guest, Keith Morrison. He'll be talking about his brand new podcast series, Murder in the Moonlight. A family was torn apart when a couple was shot to death in their quiet farmhouse on America's Great Plains.

That's it for this episode of Dateline True Crime Weekly. Next week, I'll be off, but Blaine Alexander will be here to host, and she has a very special guest, Keith Morrison. He'll be talking about his brand new podcast series, Murder in the Moonlight. A family was torn apart when a couple was shot to death in their quiet farmhouse on America's Great Plains.

That's it for this episode of Dateline True Crime Weekly. Next week, I'll be off, but Blaine Alexander will be here to host, and she has a very special guest, Keith Morrison. He'll be talking about his brand new podcast series, Murder in the Moonlight. A family was torn apart when a couple was shot to death in their quiet farmhouse on America's Great Plains.

Last week, we got our first hint that David may not be the only person in his family under scrutiny. Here to tell us more about what seems to be a widening investigation is Dateline associate producer Alex LeRae. Hey, Alex. Hey, Andrea. Let's start at the beginning. Remind us of the FBI and the prosecutor's theory of this crime.

Last week, we got our first hint that David may not be the only person in his family under scrutiny. Here to tell us more about what seems to be a widening investigation is Dateline associate producer Alex LeRae. Hey, Alex. Hey, Andrea. Let's start at the beginning. Remind us of the FBI and the prosecutor's theory of this crime.

Last week, we got our first hint that David may not be the only person in his family under scrutiny. Here to tell us more about what seems to be a widening investigation is Dateline associate producer Alex LeRae. Hey, Alex. Hey, Andrea. Let's start at the beginning. Remind us of the FBI and the prosecutor's theory of this crime.

What followed was a lengthy investigation that included four suspects, spanned three states and came down to one single shiny clue. Subscribe to Dateline Premium on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or DatelinePremium.com to hear the first two episodes now or listen to the first two episodes free on Monday, February 17th. And coming up this Friday on Dateline, Craig Melvin has an all-new two-hour episode.

What followed was a lengthy investigation that included four suspects, spanned three states and came down to one single shiny clue. Subscribe to Dateline Premium on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or DatelinePremium.com to hear the first two episodes now or listen to the first two episodes free on Monday, February 17th. And coming up this Friday on Dateline, Craig Melvin has an all-new two-hour episode.

What followed was a lengthy investigation that included four suspects, spanned three states and came down to one single shiny clue. Subscribe to Dateline Premium on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or DatelinePremium.com to hear the first two episodes now or listen to the first two episodes free on Monday, February 17th. And coming up this Friday on Dateline, Craig Melvin has an all-new two-hour episode.

Susan Smith made headlines 30 years ago when she let her car roll into a South Carolina lake, drowning her two young sons who were strapped inside. In a revealing and rare interview, Susan's ex-husband, David Smith, sits down with Craig to talk about his heartbreak and his fight to keep her behind bars.

Susan Smith made headlines 30 years ago when she let her car roll into a South Carolina lake, drowning her two young sons who were strapped inside. In a revealing and rare interview, Susan's ex-husband, David Smith, sits down with Craig to talk about his heartbreak and his fight to keep her behind bars.

Susan Smith made headlines 30 years ago when she let her car roll into a South Carolina lake, drowning her two young sons who were strapped inside. In a revealing and rare interview, Susan's ex-husband, David Smith, sits down with Craig to talk about his heartbreak and his fight to keep her behind bars.

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Wow.

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Watch Return to the Lake, airing this Friday at 9, 8 central on NBC, or stream it starting Saturday on Peacock. Thanks for listening. Dateline True Crime Weekly is produced by Frannie Kelly and Katie Ferguson. Our associate producers are Carson Cummins and Caroline Casey. Our senior producer is Liz Brown-Koroloff. Production and fact-checking help by Sara Kadir.

Watch Return to the Lake, airing this Friday at 9, 8 central on NBC, or stream it starting Saturday on Peacock. Thanks for listening. Dateline True Crime Weekly is produced by Frannie Kelly and Katie Ferguson. Our associate producers are Carson Cummins and Caroline Casey. Our senior producer is Liz Brown-Koroloff. Production and fact-checking help by Sara Kadir.

Watch Return to the Lake, airing this Friday at 9, 8 central on NBC, or stream it starting Saturday on Peacock. Thanks for listening. Dateline True Crime Weekly is produced by Frannie Kelly and Katie Ferguson. Our associate producers are Carson Cummins and Caroline Casey. Our senior producer is Liz Brown-Koroloff. Production and fact-checking help by Sara Kadir.

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Veronica Mazeka is our digital producer. Rick Kwan is our sound designer. Original music by Jesse McGinty. Bryson Barnes is head of audio production. Paul Ryan is executive producer. And Liz Cole is senior executive producer of Dateline.

Veronica Mazeka is our digital producer. Rick Kwan is our sound designer. Original music by Jesse McGinty. Bryson Barnes is head of audio production. Paul Ryan is executive producer. And Liz Cole is senior executive producer of Dateline.

David isn't disputing that he was in Europe, but he says that there's a really good reason why he was there.

David isn't disputing that he was in Europe, but he says that there's a really good reason why he was there.

David isn't disputing that he was in Europe, but he says that there's a really good reason why he was there.

Welcome to Dateline True Crime Weekly. I'm Andrea Canning. It's February 13th, and here's what's on our docket. In Philadelphia, after a first-grade teacher died under mysterious circumstances, her parents launched a 14-year quest for answers. Last week, they got big news.

Welcome to Dateline True Crime Weekly. I'm Andrea Canning. It's February 13th, and here's what's on our docket. In Philadelphia, after a first-grade teacher died under mysterious circumstances, her parents launched a 14-year quest for answers. Last week, they got big news.

Welcome to Dateline True Crime Weekly. I'm Andrea Canning. It's February 13th, and here's what's on our docket. In Philadelphia, after a first-grade teacher died under mysterious circumstances, her parents launched a 14-year quest for answers. Last week, they got big news.

And then those charges were upgraded to murder. Yeah.

And then those charges were upgraded to murder. Yeah.

And then those charges were upgraded to murder. Yeah.

And we should say that David has pleaded not guilty. So let's get into the latest development. Who is the other member of David's family who is now in the crosshairs of investigators?

And we should say that David has pleaded not guilty. So let's get into the latest development. Who is the other member of David's family who is now in the crosshairs of investigators?

And we should say that David has pleaded not guilty. So let's get into the latest development. Who is the other member of David's family who is now in the crosshairs of investigators?

It's the start of another workday for the Dateline team here at 30 Rockefeller Center.

It's the start of another workday for the Dateline team here at 30 Rockefeller Center.

It's the start of another workday for the Dateline team here at 30 Rockefeller Center.

How is he wrapped up in this now? What are they alleging?

How is he wrapped up in this now? What are they alleging?

How is he wrapped up in this now? What are they alleging?

But according to the FBI, David's brother was the first person David called when he was arrested in May, correct?

But according to the FBI, David's brother was the first person David called when he was arrested in May, correct?

But according to the FBI, David's brother was the first person David called when he was arrested in May, correct?

Do we know if the FBI was able to get anything off of David's brother's phone and laptop?

Do we know if the FBI was able to get anything off of David's brother's phone and laptop?

Do we know if the FBI was able to get anything off of David's brother's phone and laptop?

The FBI also seems to be investigating payments that David's brother has made to inmates in the federal prison where David is being held. What's that all about?

The FBI also seems to be investigating payments that David's brother has made to inmates in the federal prison where David is being held. What's that all about?

The FBI also seems to be investigating payments that David's brother has made to inmates in the federal prison where David is being held. What's that all about?

Has David's brother said anything about these allegations? He hasn't been arrested or charged, but has he responded publicly at all?

Has David's brother said anything about these allegations? He hasn't been arrested or charged, but has he responded publicly at all?

Has David's brother said anything about these allegations? He hasn't been arrested or charged, but has he responded publicly at all?

So this warrant not only mentions David's brother, but another family member of David's. And we're talking about his mom. Yes.

So this warrant not only mentions David's brother, but another family member of David's. And we're talking about his mom. Yes.

So this warrant not only mentions David's brother, but another family member of David's. And we're talking about his mom. Yes.

In Dateline Roundup, there's news from a Florida jail about Donna Adelson, the grandma accused of masterminding a plot to murder her son-in-law, FSU law professor Dan Markell. And more from the retrial of the Hawaii man accused of murdering his wife's acupuncturist, ex-lover.

In Dateline Roundup, there's news from a Florida jail about Donna Adelson, the grandma accused of masterminding a plot to murder her son-in-law, FSU law professor Dan Markell. And more from the retrial of the Hawaii man accused of murdering his wife's acupuncturist, ex-lover.

In Dateline Roundup, there's news from a Florida jail about Donna Adelson, the grandma accused of masterminding a plot to murder her son-in-law, FSU law professor Dan Markell. And more from the retrial of the Hawaii man accused of murdering his wife's acupuncturist, ex-lover.

Alex, what is next in this case? We will just have to wait and see if there are any more arrests. Okay. In the meantime, Anna's family filed a wrongful death lawsuit using some of this information that became public last week.

Alex, what is next in this case? We will just have to wait and see if there are any more arrests. Okay. In the meantime, Anna's family filed a wrongful death lawsuit using some of this information that became public last week.

Alex, what is next in this case? We will just have to wait and see if there are any more arrests. Okay. In the meantime, Anna's family filed a wrongful death lawsuit using some of this information that became public last week.

All right, Alex, thank you for bringing us the latest on this. Thanks, Andrea. Coming up in Philadelphia, a new chapter in a family's 14 year quest for the truth about their daughter's mysterious death. On January 26, 2011, a nor'easter hit Philadelphia. Schools closed, and 27-year-old first-grade teacher Ellen Greenberg went home early to the apartment she shared with her fiancé.

All right, Alex, thank you for bringing us the latest on this. Thanks, Andrea. Coming up in Philadelphia, a new chapter in a family's 14 year quest for the truth about their daughter's mysterious death. On January 26, 2011, a nor'easter hit Philadelphia. Schools closed, and 27-year-old first-grade teacher Ellen Greenberg went home early to the apartment she shared with her fiancé.

All right, Alex, thank you for bringing us the latest on this. Thanks, Andrea. Coming up in Philadelphia, a new chapter in a family's 14 year quest for the truth about their daughter's mysterious death. On January 26, 2011, a nor'easter hit Philadelphia. Schools closed, and 27-year-old first-grade teacher Ellen Greenberg went home early to the apartment she shared with her fiancé.

Just a few hours later, she was found dead with a knife four inches deep in her chest. Her parents, Josh and Sandy, were devastated.

Just a few hours later, she was found dead with a knife four inches deep in her chest. Her parents, Josh and Sandy, were devastated.

Just a few hours later, she was found dead with a knife four inches deep in her chest. Her parents, Josh and Sandy, were devastated.

There's a hole in our lives. Our life is not complete.

There's a hole in our lives. Our life is not complete.

There's a hole in our lives. Our life is not complete.

For more than a decade, Ellen's parents have waged a battle to find out the truth about what happened the night their daughter died, even filing two lawsuits against the city of Philadelphia. All that came to an abrupt halt last week.

For more than a decade, Ellen's parents have waged a battle to find out the truth about what happened the night their daughter died, even filing two lawsuits against the city of Philadelphia. All that came to an abrupt halt last week.

For more than a decade, Ellen's parents have waged a battle to find out the truth about what happened the night their daughter died, even filing two lawsuits against the city of Philadelphia. All that came to an abrupt halt last week.

Brian Sheehan, a reporter at NBC10, WCAU in Philadelphia, has been following this story for years. He joins us now to tell us more. Brian, thank you so much for coming on the show.

Brian Sheehan, a reporter at NBC10, WCAU in Philadelphia, has been following this story for years. He joins us now to tell us more. Brian, thank you so much for coming on the show.

Brian Sheehan, a reporter at NBC10, WCAU in Philadelphia, has been following this story for years. He joins us now to tell us more. Brian, thank you so much for coming on the show.

So why don't you just start by telling us a little bit about Ellen Greenberg? Who was she? What was she like? What have you learned?

So why don't you just start by telling us a little bit about Ellen Greenberg? Who was she? What was she like? What have you learned?

So why don't you just start by telling us a little bit about Ellen Greenberg? Who was she? What was she like? What have you learned?

Okay, let's fast forward now to the evening Ellen was found dead. We know from the investigation report that her fiancé, Sam Goldberg, was reportedly at the gym. And when he came home, the door was bolted shut from the inside. What happened? happen next?

Okay, let's fast forward now to the evening Ellen was found dead. We know from the investigation report that her fiancé, Sam Goldberg, was reportedly at the gym. And when he came home, the door was bolted shut from the inside. What happened? happen next?

Okay, let's fast forward now to the evening Ellen was found dead. We know from the investigation report that her fiancé, Sam Goldberg, was reportedly at the gym. And when he came home, the door was bolted shut from the inside. What happened? happen next?

So he calls 911? 911.

So he calls 911? 911.

So he calls 911? 911.

Plus, for the first time on the podcast, we're joined by a judge. He tells us why he thinks jurors should be allowed to ask questions during a trial.

Plus, for the first time on the podcast, we're joined by a judge. He tells us why he thinks jurors should be allowed to ask questions during a trial.

Plus, for the first time on the podcast, we're joined by a judge. He tells us why he thinks jurors should be allowed to ask questions during a trial.

So this is not just one stab wound we're talking about. There are 20, including 10 to her head and her neck. And Brian, she had some bruising as well?

So this is not just one stab wound we're talking about. There are 20, including 10 to her head and her neck. And Brian, she had some bruising as well?

So this is not just one stab wound we're talking about. There are 20, including 10 to her head and her neck. And Brian, she had some bruising as well?

So the medical examiner initially ruled the manner of death was homicide, but that all changed a few weeks later. What happened?

So the medical examiner initially ruled the manner of death was homicide, but that all changed a few weeks later. What happened?

So the medical examiner initially ruled the manner of death was homicide, but that all changed a few weeks later. What happened?

And also, the knife only showed Ellen's DNA.

And also, the knife only showed Ellen's DNA.

And also, the knife only showed Ellen's DNA.

Was there any type of note in the apartment or something she had written to a family member or friend that she was distraught or depressed or some type of indication?

Was there any type of note in the apartment or something she had written to a family member or friend that she was distraught or depressed or some type of indication?

Was there any type of note in the apartment or something she had written to a family member or friend that she was distraught or depressed or some type of indication?

And what about her fiancé's story? Did the police look into that? You know, he says he's at the gym when this is happening, let the doors bolted shut. Did they find anything out with that?

And what about her fiancé's story? Did the police look into that? You know, he says he's at the gym when this is happening, let the doors bolted shut. Did they find anything out with that?

And what about her fiancé's story? Did the police look into that? You know, he says he's at the gym when this is happening, let the doors bolted shut. Did they find anything out with that?

The family obviously has a very strong conviction that this was not suicide. They essentially began their own investigation into this, consulting many experts over the years. What did they find?

The family obviously has a very strong conviction that this was not suicide. They essentially began their own investigation into this, consulting many experts over the years. What did they find?

The family obviously has a very strong conviction that this was not suicide. They essentially began their own investigation into this, consulting many experts over the years. What did they find?

Our producers are catching up on breaking crime news around the country, swapping tips and story ideas. The clock starts ticking on that April 2nd.

Our producers are catching up on breaking crime news around the country, swapping tips and story ideas. The clock starts ticking on that April 2nd.

Our producers are catching up on breaking crime news around the country, swapping tips and story ideas. The clock starts ticking on that April 2nd.

Josh and Sandy Greenberg ultimately filed two civil lawsuits against Philadelphia, the city. One sought to change the manner of death. The other sought damages for intentional infliction of emotional damages by city employees who conducted the investigation. This legal battle was going on for more than five years. Last week on the eve of this civil trial, there was a big development in the case.

Josh and Sandy Greenberg ultimately filed two civil lawsuits against Philadelphia, the city. One sought to change the manner of death. The other sought damages for intentional infliction of emotional damages by city employees who conducted the investigation. This legal battle was going on for more than five years. Last week on the eve of this civil trial, there was a big development in the case.

Josh and Sandy Greenberg ultimately filed two civil lawsuits against Philadelphia, the city. One sought to change the manner of death. The other sought damages for intentional infliction of emotional damages by city employees who conducted the investigation. This legal battle was going on for more than five years. Last week on the eve of this civil trial, there was a big development in the case.

But before all that, new developments in an international murder investigation. After a Florida woman went missing in Spain, her husband was arrested and accused of killing her. Now the FBI is looking at his family to see if they played a role.

But before all that, new developments in an international murder investigation. After a Florida woman went missing in Spain, her husband was arrested and accused of killing her. Now the FBI is looking at his family to see if they played a role.

But before all that, new developments in an international murder investigation. After a Florida woman went missing in Spain, her husband was arrested and accused of killing her. Now the FBI is looking at his family to see if they played a role.

And the city and the Greenbergs also, they reached a settlement of some sort?

And the city and the Greenbergs also, they reached a settlement of some sort?

And the city and the Greenbergs also, they reached a settlement of some sort?

And is this medical examiner who's reviewing the manner of death, is this a different medical examiner or the same one?

And is this medical examiner who's reviewing the manner of death, is this a different medical examiner or the same one?

And is this medical examiner who's reviewing the manner of death, is this a different medical examiner or the same one?