Santiago Suárez

And he's like, how well organized the company is.

So I think that was one of the core insights was like, there's got to be a better way.

And that speaks to then, okay, how do I want to do this?

And there were two things I knew about starting a company.

One, I wanted to do it.

Two, I never wanted to do it on a visa.

Because one of the challenges in Navia was like for a while, the government denied my H1B, then I had to re-get it.

So I was like, I need a green card if I'm ever going to do that in the US.

That automatically means bigger company, lower upside, but lower downside, you can stay there.

And then the third thing, to your point, I was like...

well, I want to go see how great CEOs operate.

Because clearly, I have no idea what I was doing in my 35 days as a CEO of a five-person company, but someone else did not.

So I wrote a list and we had Costco in it.

I had Amazon in it.

I had Wynn Casinos in it.

It wasn't even financial services related.

It was just who are these incredible people and how do they operate?

And I basically leveraging...

And McKinsey, Yale, everyone I knew, I just tried to get in a position to get a job somewhere close to these people.

And the first one that came up with this kind of legendary strategy group back at the time, which was 10 people at J.P.