Sara Fischer

We're seeing more reader donations go into outlets that

Do good investigative reporting.

One area where I found that's expanding that I've been happily surprised by it has been ProPublica.

A lot of new donations coming in.

We're seeing record reader revenue at places like The Guardian that are committed to investigative journalism.

So the efforts of regular everyday people and philanthropists right now seem to be filling the void that traditional commercial models are not.

Well, one thing that new management would tell you is that a lot of the success of 60 Minutes does ride on the NFL because it airs right after.

And the reason that they claim that they needed to come in and modernize it, even though that they were ahead, as you mentioned, ratings were up 9% under executive producer Tanya Simon, is because they say, you're not taking into consideration how much this show relies on the NFL.

What's now happened is

is that even if things were to go back to status quo, there's still a trust that has been broken between CBS 60 and the audience and CBS 60 and the management and the day-to-day staff there.

And that trust being broken means that anytime somebody does encounter an ethically...

challenging situation or situation where there's ambiguity in terms of what's the best path forward.

The trust is what allowed you to have a constructive conversation to figure out the best path forward for the audience and journalism.

And with that being broken, nobody believes that any decision you make was done in good faith.

Also, yeah.

I could not agree with that more.

I did this analysis once on the show Succession, how it is consumed by so few people relative to the amount of coverage that it got by journalists, because journalists are obsessed with covering their own industry and obsessed with themselves.

The reason that this story is important, from my point of view,

is because broadcast as an asset is a public good as defined by our laws.

And as such, it needs to be regulated as a public good.