Sarah Archer

Which I really like that they were like, yeah, we know you want to make the pie.

You're desperate to make the pie.

But yeah, I have always heard of them as depression pies, but they are even more deeply within that desperation pies because I think like the pies I just named were all being made.

Well, not Ritz pie because Ritz crackers were invented and rolled out in 1934.

I think they're a depression cracker through and through.

But those pies are like desperation pies that people were also making in the late 19th century and also on the frontier, right?

which is very interesting.

Oh, that is fascinating.

And one of the themes here is that I guess we're looking at two trends that I don't think are as in opposition as people sometimes act like they are, which are desperation and convenience.

They go together like peanut butter and chocolate.

They do.

And they taste good together frequently.

Water pie is basically a mock custard pie where you use water instead of milk or cream.

And it is apparently quite good.

I realized today that I should have made all these pies so I could tell you about it with more accuracy.

Yeah, we can revisit that.

Yeah, let's go make the pie and come back and discuss.

But tell me about what, well, first of all, tell us who you are and your kind of work in the kitchen arena and what you're going to tell us about today.

So my kitchen obsession is mostly is kind of the middle decades of the 20th century.

And I have a special affection for the world of tomorrow and gadgets and kind of American kitchen designers competing with the Soviet Union and kind of designing things sort of at the Soviet Union.