Sarah Carey

Because, and you know this as well, we're back to economics, it's behavioral economics and people think they have free will, but we actually live in what's called choice architecture.

And choices become norms and then norms become obligations.

So assisted dying could be introduced on the basis that this isn't for everybody.

This would only be for people who want it.

And suddenly you're 85.

And your family are looking at you and you're going to have to go into a nursing home and be a burden on them.

And it feels like the decent thing to do is to go for the assistant dying route.

And then, of course, we know of other countries where now suicidality is being accepted as a criteria for assisted dying.

So I just see no good coming from it and that the focus has to be instead of kinder palliative care, which, by the way, again, going back to the English Irish differences from my sense and from friends who've died in England.

I think the Irish palliative care system seems to be a bit kinder than the English one.

Right.

Okay.

Yeah, my friend who died in England from cancer, it was awful.

It just went on for weeks and weeks.

And I think if it was Ireland, they would have let him slip by quicker.

I can't say that for certain, but I felt it was better.

So the hospice movement absolutely is something that should be funded.

Yeah.

OK, well, look, Chris, we probably should leave it there.

So I hope you're doing OK.