Sarah Jane

It is a big topic.

I also loved on Big Small Talk on Tuesday, I said to everyone, we don't even get to the celebrity element.

I thought that's the first time in history that Sarah has comfortably asserted that it's not to do with celebrities.

Usually you're like, and we're getting that pop culture in there.

Grace has made both of our dreams come true.

Also because like after the Iraq war, big talk, Sarah looked like she just returned home from something herself.

Like Sarah was like, that took a week of my life and I've lost five years of my life after that deep dive.

And so then Grace comes along and Sarah goes, Grace, her notes are like the best thing I've ever seen.

So if you think this big talk is particularly, you know, textured and amazing.

Don't get used to it.

Let's get into the pitch.

Going into this, what I knew personally about Scientology was mostly just big headlines.

So a billion dollar organisation that many people called a cult, a galactic alien ruler named Xenu who killed billions of aliens years ago, and then a long list of scandals including psychological control, blackmail and alleged abuse.

Another episode of Sarah and her History Channel shit going down where she's like, I read The Secret as well.

Also, perhaps the most interesting of all was that this was the first time in history that humans could fact check a religious mythology as it developed.

We could compare the legend with the documented reality suddenly.

And in doing this, we could see how a psychosis driven godhood was then turned into this money making empire.

Those headlines were the things that I knew, but really it was all Tom Cruise for me.

I think I was, no, seriously, I think I was watching Oscars every year, confused by what it was, but then there was just this weird cult-like rumour around it.

So the fact that you've read this book as well is really helpful.