Sarah Koenig

127 feet back into the woods, there was a fallen tree, essentially a 40-foot log, lying more or less parallel to the road.

On the other side of the log, if you'd kept going, you'd have gotten to a stream with the unfortunate name of Dead Run.

Hay's body was buried right behind this log on the stream side.

If you were standing on the street side of the log, so on the other side, it's not at all obvious that you'd notice her.

So his story about why he stopped where he stopped, it doesn't quite seem right.

Here's Bill Ritz.

In this part of the tape, you get a sense of how Ritz and McGillivary operate together, or at least what I've gathered from listening to a bunch of these interviews.

McGillivary starts out all nonjudgmental, just tell me your story, uh-huh, uh-huh.

Then Ritz comes in and says something like, just help me understand here, and asks some harder questions, exposing weaknesses in the narrative.

Then McGillivary will come back in.

But now it's a tougher McGillivary.

And he's asking direct, sometimes harsh questions that seem like they'd be good at pushing someone off balance.

Like this one, sort of out of the blue.

Back to the fallen tree.

Here Ritz is saying, wait, I thought you told McGillivary you stopped at the log to pee, but now you're saying you were on your way farther back?

This doesn't ever get cleared up, really, and they sort of let it go.

But a bunch of things are fishy.

The path he takes back into the woods, it doesn't really lead to the log.

So why does he end up there?

He didn't need to head toward the log to find a hidden spot to pee.