Sarah Kreps

So they're not just kind of targeted, but what the U.S.

has been using these for in the Middle East right now is what is referred to as a saturation attack.

And so this was used in the initial attack.

set of strikes against the Ayatollah last weekend, which is that the way to overwhelm air defenses is to use just sheer numbers, saturate the radar systems, and do it with these basically dispensable weapons and get through the air defenses.

And so it worked pretty well.

And, you know, a big part for the U.S.

is that no pilots are

are lost in any of this.

So that's the huge advantage of drones in general, but then with these smaller ones, just that they're dispensable.

It's all of what you're describing.

And it's interesting for a military like the U.S., which spends over $800 billion a year and has the most advanced weapons in the world, to be actually using drones not unlike what you would use in real estate, except that then they have these explosives that are strapped on.

But then there are the more slightly higher scale version, like I was describing these reverse engineered Iranian drones, which are much bigger than that.

I don't know, maybe the size of a kitchen table.

But you can still launch them off an aircraft carrier or out of a field.

And so they're super agile.

And again, just easy to manufacture and dispensable and relatively cheap.

Yeah, I think one argument, and it's really important to just keep in mind the context that we're talking about, these are munitions.

They are designed to break things and eliminate the Iranian leadership.

And so I think what has been learned is really what was learned in the last few years in Ukraine is that these are quite effective and they didn't cause the war.

I think for a long time, myself included, I think there was a concern that, well, countries that had these technologies would feel like they were walking around with a hammer and everything would look like a nail.