Sarah Longwell

Okay.

And so as somebody who doesn't necessarily discount people just because of rapacious capitalism, I would say, you know, my favorite description of the board, because people are like, you're the capitalist wing of Antifa.

But I think that

For me, a lot of it is, and that's why, look, I believe in innovation, and I believe in trying to solve big intractable problems, and I think technology can be a big part of that.

What you do want is for it to not live in a place of nihilism.

These guys are becoming extraordinarily powerful, extraordinarily powerful in our politics in ways.

I mean, this is why I think the specificity of an Elon Musk, Elon Musk is somebody who I think you can look at and say, this person is doing an enormous amount of damage and doing it on purpose.

I don't think every tech oligarch is like that.

And I think that we should probably be careful about not sort of lumping in everybody together because I think there are people who are like, actually, there are responsible ways to do this.

And like, what are the ways that you could regulate this?

But those people are becoming fewer and further between.

And one of the reasons that

so many people capitulated to Trump, including Zuckerberg, including Washington Post, Bezos, Elon, whatever, is because they were like, oh, this guy will just do what we want.

And I'm not here for the social good.

I'm here to get what I want.

And look, again, it doesn't all have to be social good, but it does have to be with like, I don't know, some sense of responsibility to the health of the country.

And Elon is happy.

happy to become a trillionaire at the expense of us destroying each other.

I mean, I heard a lot about Maha going into the election.

I mean, the number of – it's not just women, but it was a lot of women who were like, I want red dyes out of food.