Sarah Longwell

And like now they're they're just kind of like, where is everybody?

And like now they're they're just kind of like, where is everybody?

Where is the fighting? Where where are the people who are standing up? Why isn't this happening? And then, you know, and it's you get it is tough because you sort of like beg the Democrats to do something. And they're like, OK, well, we're going to go protest outside USAID. And then you're like, no, no, no, but nobody meant that. So it's a little it's hard.

Where is the fighting? Where where are the people who are standing up? Why isn't this happening? And then, you know, and it's you get it is tough because you sort of like beg the Democrats to do something. And they're like, OK, well, we're going to go protest outside USAID. And then you're like, no, no, no, but nobody meant that. So it's a little it's hard.

It's not an easy solution, but I just know what that's what they want.

It's not an easy solution, but I just know what that's what they want.

Yeah. So Elon's I did a good episode of it with about Elon with Kara Swisher, where we listened to we asked a bunch of Biden to Trump voters about Elon, what they thought. And you could basically split the groups in two. On one side, there are the groups. There was the people in the groups who were like, yes, love this. They're cutting stuff. They're finding abuse.

Yeah. So Elon's I did a good episode of it with about Elon with Kara Swisher, where we listened to we asked a bunch of Biden to Trump voters about Elon, what they thought. And you could basically split the groups in two. On one side, there are the groups. There was the people in the groups who were like, yes, love this. They're cutting stuff. They're finding abuse.

They, you know, they know about the they think about the condoms, like the fake condom story. They'd internalize that, you know. And so therefore and they also they know Elon. I was listening to Kara talk about Elon recently. is funny to me because I often listen to Kara only when she's talking about politics.

They, you know, they know about the they think about the condoms, like the fake condom story. They'd internalize that, you know. And so therefore and they also they know Elon. I was listening to Kara talk about Elon recently. is funny to me because I often listen to Kara only when she's talking about politics.

And when she was talking about Elon, I was like, oh my gosh, you know, all this stuff that I had no idea about, because Elon's just one of these cultural figures that I haven't paid attention to until he broke the political plane, right? But a lot of these voters have been, just like with Trump, they'd been tracking Elon forever. They hold stock in his companies. They think they want to go to Mars.

And when she was talking about Elon, I was like, oh my gosh, you know, all this stuff that I had no idea about, because Elon's just one of these cultural figures that I haven't paid attention to until he broke the political plane, right? But a lot of these voters have been, just like with Trump, they'd been tracking Elon forever. They hold stock in his companies. They think they want to go to Mars.

Like they're invested in the whole Elon thing. Then there's another half of the voters who are like, why does this billionaire want to be in our government? Like, what is he doing? And I often talk about how persuasion is not teaching. It's like making somebody switch a position that they previously held. It is about unlocking something that they already kind of believe.

Like they're invested in the whole Elon thing. Then there's another half of the voters who are like, why does this billionaire want to be in our government? Like, what is he doing? And I often talk about how persuasion is not teaching. It's like making somebody switch a position that they previously held. It is about unlocking something that they already kind of believe.

And so people have deeply embedded in them the archetype of persuasion. The sort of evil billionaire trying to get more. And so there's a lot of people who are just like confused about why Elon is doing this. Why is Elon the guy? Why is this billionaire who gave they know gave Trump a lot of money? Like, what is the deal here? So there's this other group that's just deeply skeptical.

And so people have deeply embedded in them the archetype of persuasion. The sort of evil billionaire trying to get more. And so there's a lot of people who are just like confused about why Elon is doing this. Why is Elon the guy? Why is this billionaire who gave they know gave Trump a lot of money? Like, what is the deal here? So there's this other group that's just deeply skeptical.

And I thought that was a real vulnerability for Trump and Elon.

And I thought that was a real vulnerability for Trump and Elon.

That was her theory, and it was just the first time I'd heard it, and it made... A great deal of sense to me as a thing, you know, because there's a world out there of people who know Elon really well because he's been and they'll they'll really balk at the notion that somehow it's all corrupt. They're like, he's not corrupt.

That was her theory, and it was just the first time I'd heard it, and it made... A great deal of sense to me as a thing, you know, because there's a world out there of people who know Elon really well because he's been and they'll they'll really balk at the notion that somehow it's all corrupt. They're like, he's not corrupt.