Sarah Longwell

And.

You know, there's a bunch of reasons for that.

There's the hyperpolarization of it all.

There's the fact that Trump often moves from one catastrophe to another.

And so, like, by the time you're enraged about one catastrophe, like, you're on to the next thing, which is what is happening right now.

Like, we're going from Minneapolis to him threatening the Fed chair, Jerome Powell.

And it's like that sustained outrage is really hard.

The thing about ICE and what is happening is, number one, I do think the—you know, I used to—I was a Republican for a long time.

I've heard that about you.

Yeah, and I was—Tim and I are sort of similar in this regard.

We've always kind of described ourselves similarly, which is like kind of Republican squishes.

But for me, a lot of my—I was, you know, came from a small town, and so I was sort of culturally conservative.

But mainly, I just really like America.

I think America is the best.

Not right now.

But generally, I've always been somebody who thinks the experiment that we are doing here is important, should be preserved, promoted, emulated, and—

Right now, like, that conservative instinct of your American birthright is you do not have to get down on your knees for tyrants.

Like, that is what we do here.

We say no to tyranny.

The whole reason we exist is that.