Sarah McCammon

Right. I mean, there's Trump's friendliness with Russia and on the same token, distance from our traditional allies in Europe. What does it mean for Ukraine's security if the U.S. suddenly decides to back off of its support for Ukraine, as we know some Republicans have called for for a long time?

You know, Franco, I was so struck by what you said a moment ago about people in tears in the room as Vice President Vance was speaking. I mean, this is a historic shift. This is a departure from really the international order that's been in place since the end of World War II, shaped largely by the United States. I mean, where do either of you see this going?

You know, Franco, I was so struck by what you said a moment ago about people in tears in the room as Vice President Vance was speaking. I mean, this is a historic shift. This is a departure from really the international order that's been in place since the end of World War II, shaped largely by the United States. I mean, where do either of you see this going?

You know, Franco, I was so struck by what you said a moment ago about people in tears in the room as Vice President Vance was speaking. I mean, this is a historic shift. This is a departure from really the international order that's been in place since the end of World War II, shaped largely by the United States. I mean, where do either of you see this going?

The idea of spheres of influence for me begs the question of what are those spheres and where are the lines and who draws the boundaries?

The idea of spheres of influence for me begs the question of what are those spheres and where are the lines and who draws the boundaries?

The idea of spheres of influence for me begs the question of what are those spheres and where are the lines and who draws the boundaries?

All right. Well, we'll leave it there. I'm Sarah McCammon. I cover politics.

All right. Well, we'll leave it there. I'm Sarah McCammon. I cover politics.

All right. Well, we'll leave it there. I'm Sarah McCammon. I cover politics.

And thank you for listening to the NPR Politics Podcast.

And thank you for listening to the NPR Politics Podcast.

And thank you for listening to the NPR Politics Podcast.

The people close to her that I've spoken to have just talked about the way that she was unflappable. I think someone used the word indefatigable, the way that she represented for many people in her movement, someone who never stopped fighting and someone who persisted even amidst challenges, even amidst these very significant setbacks.

The people close to her that I've spoken to have just talked about the way that she was unflappable. I think someone used the word indefatigable, the way that she represented for many people in her movement, someone who never stopped fighting and someone who persisted even amidst challenges, even amidst these very significant setbacks.

The people close to her that I've spoken to have just talked about the way that she was unflappable. I think someone used the word indefatigable, the way that she represented for many people in her movement, someone who never stopped fighting and someone who persisted even amidst challenges, even amidst these very significant setbacks.

Ultimately, that's something that people like Cecile Richard and the abortion rights movement were not able to prevent despite, you know, many years of efforts to expand access to abortion.

Ultimately, that's something that people like Cecile Richard and the abortion rights movement were not able to prevent despite, you know, many years of efforts to expand access to abortion.

Ultimately, that's something that people like Cecile Richard and the abortion rights movement were not able to prevent despite, you know, many years of efforts to expand access to abortion.

Michael Webb and Jonathan Mahoney were excited for the inauguration, but they're rolling with the change of plans.