Sarah McCammon

So, you know, I think that.

For more progressive people, the idea of female autonomy, reproductive autonomy and choice has been really, really important for a long time.

And, you know, especially in the last few years as the overturning of Roe v. Wade, there's...

a lot of worry about the ability for women to make those choices, and a lot of anxiety about conversations around trying to promote more births.

I mean, we hear people say that, like, what does that mean?

Does that mean forcing women to have children?

Does that conversation morph into something really kind of sinister?

But as far as the cultural perception of

of the child-free woman.

I mean, I would just echo what, what Emma said again, more from my own life than from, from my reporting, you know, as somebody who had my first baby at 25 and I was, I did not have a lot of money.

I did not have family around because I was living in a different city.

It was very hard.

And most of my friends weren't having kids yet.

And a lot of them, some of them never did, but, but having other young people around me who were like excited to be the sort of

fill in aunties and push the baby while we were caught up with something at work or just kind of, you know, free us up for an evening like that was invaluable.

And, you know, the

The idea of the village is really, really important.

It's an interesting question.

I've run across a couple of things that might help to address pieces of it.

I don't know that I have the total answer.