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Sarah Paine

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
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Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 3: How Mao Conquered China

The statistic of 40 million deaths comes from this book by Yang Jisheng, who's written the definitive work.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 3: How Mao Conquered China

The English translation is but one volume.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 3: How Mao Conquered China

The Chinese original is three.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 3: How Mao Conquered China

Young worked as a journalist for many years, which gave him access to provincial archives, where he surreptitiously investigated the statistics of people who are starving to death, including his father, for whom he wrote this book to serve as an eternal tombstone.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 3: How Mao Conquered China

So on the one hand, Mao is the military genius who puts Humpty Dumpty back together again when nobody else could and they tried for the previous 40 years.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 3: How Mao Conquered China

On the other hand, he is the psychopath incapable of running an economy in peacetime.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 3: How Mao Conquered China

Yet many Chinese revere him as a national hero.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 3: How Mao Conquered China

Why?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 3: How Mao Conquered China

Because in their minds, certainly of the Han, the preponderant group in China, one of the key things that their country should and must be is a great power.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 3: How Mao Conquered China

And Mao, by reunifying China under the banner of communism, and then fighting the coalition of all the major capitalist powers to a stalemate in the Korean War, or in their mind, a victory,

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 3: How Mao Conquered China

That constitutes ending what they consider the era of humiliations that started in the mid 19th centuries and end with the communist revolution.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 3: How Mao Conquered China

So he's a hero at home.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 3: How Mao Conquered China

All right, to understand Mao's theories, I need to put it in the context of the wars that he fought.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 3: How Mao Conquered China

So in 1911, Qing Dynasty collapses.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 3: How Mao Conquered China

The country shatters into a multilateral warfare among warlords of these provincial leaders.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 3: How Mao Conquered China

And on this map, you can see the different colors and shadings.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 3: How Mao Conquered China

Those are different warlord areas.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 3: How Mao Conquered China

but the Nationalist Party and the Communist Party form a united front in 1923 in order to eliminate these warlords.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 3: How Mao Conquered China

And so Chiang Kai-shek, who's the head of the Nationalist Party, generalissimo, not just a general,

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 3: How Mao Conquered China

He is the man who's leading the northern expedition to fight off all the warlords, except he stops midway near his power base in Shanghai, and he turns on the communists, massacres them in droves.