Sarah Paine

I think more it's in these horrible wars that dictators can rise.

Also, Great Depressions provide hothouse conditions for dictators.

So, yeah, I think the lesson is the last thing you want to do is fight a world war.

But as Britain discovered in World War II, if Hitler's insistent, you're stuck.

It might be a lesson for our own day.

Isn't this Ukraine's problem?

They didn't want to fight a war.

What are you going to do?

Putin launched.

We don't exactly want to fight a war.

Well, what do you want to do?

Let Putin do whatever he wants forever, however long he wants?

The reason you all are prosperous is there's a global maritime order in which people obey rules, because it is so much cheaper to obey rules, because what do you do when people break the rules?

You hire a lawyer.

It's not protection money or starting to blow up each other's buildings and destroying wealth at an incredible clip, which is what you're seeing going on in Ukraine.

So these things are consequential.

None of us makes all the choices, and when other people make bad choices, you're stuck responding to them.

I doubt it.

I think communism was a new thing, right?

So you've got it going on with the Russians.