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Sarah Paine

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
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Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 3: How Mao Conquered China

Oh, I think it was so minor.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 3: How Mao Conquered China

By then, it's too late.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 3: How Mao Conquered China

The great question is some people would argue that in 1946, when Marshall tells Chiang Kai-shek to stop, halt his advance.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 3: How Mao Conquered China

This is when he's doing quite well.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 3: How Mao Conquered China

And when I mentioned that the terminal point of retreat for the communists was up in Suping, Manchuria.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 3: How Mao Conquered China

Some would argue that Marshall should never have done that.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 3: How Mao Conquered China

He should have let the nationalists go all the way up, and that would have changed the outcome of the Chinese Civil War.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 3: How Mao Conquered China

You could make an argument that that might be true.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 3: How Mao Conquered China

Here's the counterargument.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 3: How Mao Conquered China

I don't know the answer.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 3: How Mao Conquered China

If you look at a map of China or imagine one, Manchuria is way up.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 3: How Mao Conquered China

It's like a salient into communist territory because it's bordering all the Soviet Union.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 3: How Mao Conquered China

And then it's got quite...

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 3: How Mao Conquered China

a coastline, but the Soviets had blockaded that, so nothing's getting in that way.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 3: How Mao Conquered China

The only way, given the Chinese railway system, is literally one train line connects Manchuria to South China.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 3: How Mao Conquered China

So it means Chiang Kai-shek's movements are incredibly predictable.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 3: How Mao Conquered China

So one argument you could make, and people have, and I don't know the answer, none of us does, is that, hey, that was the big error.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 3: How Mao Conquered China

So if that's the big error, the mistake, and this is a common one that Americans make, so this is worth talking about, is Americans often don't look at warring parties to understand if they are primary adversaries.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 3: How Mao Conquered China

There is no way you're going to make them make nice.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Sarah Paine Episode 3: How Mao Conquered China

So the United States had trouble for years trying to get Pakistanis and Indians to cooperate.